[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 24th January 2018 04:00:58
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Of course you can have them! :]

No one had asked for them yet, and I just realized that I'd miscounted and I actually had 4 RG drum foundies not 3. That would enough for two breeding pairs. I hope they help you out! :]

If anyone else is still in need of foundies, I have some still left. Please feel free to ask me about them!
By AVH Lover, 24th January 2018 18:17:51


The icelandic is right but that thoroughbred is a 4000 GP crillo cross.
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By Asfridur, 24th January 2018 18:40:24
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@changsu welcome on board. I've added you to the list.

@kooldogz7 zaners added to you name.I'm assuming their RG's?

@Salome. That is so great thank you! I'd love to take all 4.

@Magdie I've updated the list again. Grabbie from below if you wanna default smiley :)

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Axel'sMommy - has foundie GA thread
https://www.howrse.com/centre/forum/sujet?id=907976&sujet=1073924901

Comatose – has NIB registry as well as a wanted thread
https://www.howrse.com/joueur/fiche/?id=29511752

Willing to fill – PM for help:
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keepsake
Comatose

abitude
- Drums
- Lippizaner
- Welsh
- Shire

Asfridur
- Canadian
- Drums
- Russian Don (uni) (project done – no more foundie unis)
- Shagya
- Trakhener (uni)

Adivinanza
- Standardbred
- Gypsy Vanner

anomites
- Shetland

Axel'sMommy
- Hanoverian (reg + uni)

Bloomers
- Paints (old GP and RG)

boywithhorse
- Brumby

changsu
- Percheron (old GP)

Carrie-Anne
- Friesian unis
- Gypsy Vanner (RG)
- Drums (RG)
- Percheron (RG)

Comatose
- Akhal Teke
- Gypsy Vanner (reg + unis)
- Knabstrub
- Marwari (reg + unis)
- Mustang (reg + unis)
- Nokota
- Shetland (reg + unis)
- Trakhener

dark_angel2788
- Friesians
- Irish Hunters
- Marwaris
- Arabs
- PSH

Driananium
- Arabian (going slow)

FancySchmancy
- Hanoverian

ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ
- Hackney

freedomreins
- Hanoverians

HYDEIST
- Connemara
- Peruvian Paso (reg + uni)

lbenedict15
- Holstein

Jumperanna
- Quarter Horse

kittencat123
- Canadian

kooldogz7
- Curly
- Gypsy Vanner
- Lipizzan
- Nokota

lanikot
- Marwari

Magdie
- Quarter horse

magictouch85
- Lusitano

MareWithAMission
- Drums

Misabel
- TB

msuequestrian
- Haflinger

MoonRider1691
- Morgan (RG)

naztuki
- Paints

Northener
- Drums
- Standardbreds

Orca98
- Drums

Pearl Onyx
- Shetland

Poindextra
- Shire

sfc0397
- Appys
- Paints
- Quarter Horses

Salome
- Highland Ponies

shamrock726
- Connie
- Gypsy Vanner
- Connie/Gypsy vanner crosses

Sootybelle
- KWPN
- Trakhener

spotngold24
- Drums

Storms Ransome
- Appys
- Criollo

Sylevar Falcori
- Arabian
- Connemara

tallynen
- PSH

TheSeason1
- Haflinger

Zel
- Knabstrup


Right time to bold and breed a pair of foundie Drums.
I feel bad I've been neglecting my Shagya as of late. I need 48 hour days I swear default smiley :o
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By kaylie16, 25th January 2018 17:14:39
Hi everyone, I would like to get into NIB but am a little foggy on how it's done. I have a few sets of foundies, but my primary wonder is how do people keep the line going? i.e. I have a set of two drum horses that I would like to NIB, but am confused on how to keep the line going after I breed them. Will I have to buy two more foundation Drums, blup, and breed them and then breed that 1st gen to my other 1st generation, or is there a covering system in place among NIB breeders? Thanks!
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By Retired breeder, 25th January 2018 17:50:29
I'm suprised the Drum horse has the best GP on that list up there, being such a new breed and all.
By kaylie16, 26th January 2018 00:55:06
@AVH Lover : is that a resounding yes?
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By stryker777337, 26th January 2018 16:35:16
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Hi I'm curious to start some NIB breeding, is there forums for specific breeds on EC forums or even teams dedicated to NIB horses? I have Arabians, Trakhner, and Tennessee Walkers that I'd like to help out. I also have Trakhner unicorns that I'd really like to do NIB with. Can anybody point me in the right direction of who to contact? Please message me if youre the person im looking for. Thank you! default smiley ^)
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By AVH Lover, 26th January 2018 16:53:48


Yes, you will have to just breed more foundies
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By Asfridur, 27th January 2018 16:59:07
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@kaylie16 you need quite a few foundation horses, even if it's a small scale project.
The same horse can only be listed once when you track the ancestors.

Here's an easy example of an inbred horse. The same horses are listed more than once..
this one is inbred

Compared to this 3rd generation drum
Checking his ancestors, you can see the same horse is only listed once.


@stryker777337 we don't have active EC forums any more I'm afraid. NIB breeding was never easy, but the GP and auto gain change mate it even harder. So now only select few want to breed NIB's.

As to NIB teams. Not sure. I've got a Drum NIB team, but I'm the only active breeder right now. Have a side NIB trake uni project. But it's not my main focus right now.


I cannot believe it. I finally got myself a 5th generation Drum default smiley <:o)
And the crazy aspect being I have second gens that are higher that the 5th. There's Howrse logic for you. Super super happy with the little fellar though.
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By Retired breeder, 27th January 2018 20:24:52
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i still have a large stash of foundie drums from who knows how long ago if anybody needs 'em
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By stryker777337, 28th January 2018 00:31:33
@Asfridur ok well I wanted to focus trak unis so whenever you want to start that project let me know. default smiley ^)

Is there a good way to advertise foundies for breeding? Just post here?
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By Asfridur, 28th January 2018 08:30:49
@Shisui I was sure you had found a home for them all. But if your looking for a forever home for them, I'd love to adopt them, if nobody else needs them default smiley ^)

Thanks ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ.

@stryker777337 will do.
You can do is post on your profile page. But the best result will probably be posting here.
Many NIB'er prefer to use their own stock though, so they can trace the ancestry. Main reason being we won't be able to trace all the ancestry should the owner of a foundie decide to delete their game or SH the foundie.

Comatose has a NIB registry as well as other threads.

Axel'sMommy has a foundie GA thread
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By stryker777337, 28th January 2018 13:51:07
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@Asfridur ok thanks so much! I'll definitely check out the registry and the thread. Truly appreciate it.
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By Azhure, 29th January 2018 00:41:13
I'm actually after a NIB Shire covering. I have two foundie (non gain) shire stallions and one foundie (non gain) mare & a filly (from the mare and one of the stallions) but I would like a covering for the mare (willing to trade for a covering from one of my stallions) so that I can breed more shires without being inbred : ). Doesn't really matter on blup, but would prefer from a foundie non gain though.
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By Azhure, 29th January 2018 00:47:58
Also to add to that I'd be willing to foal swap : ) either a filly or colt doesn't bother me
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By Retired breeder, 31st January 2018 01:33:46
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I recently bought back my original foundation horse from back when I first joined and I'm currently BLUP'ing her using Dr Zig's guide;
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If your horse's genetics make its best classical event default smiley (l)dressagedefault smiley (l) (e.g. Lusitano, Friesian), then try this:
* mountain rides [DONE]
* gallop & trot training [DONE]
* dressage competitions [DONE]
* dressage [DONE] and speed training [IN PROGRESS]
* showjumping competitions
* jump training
* forest rides
* cross country competitions
* stamina training
I'm worried that I won't get her competition wins... I am trying to fill my competitions with my Midas (since that's the only one in my farm that can enter competitions that low... rip) but he has more skills than she does.. default smiley :s Could someone possibly help me with this process?? And maybe give pointers on what I should change?? I'd like to have her bolded which is why I'm using Dr Zig's guide but if there's another route I could take I'd be willing to try it.
I might not check this forum right away so if you could help please PM me??
Thanks!!
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By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 2nd February 2018 04:35:45

Well, Asfridur, keepsake, Comatose, and I are willing to help fill.

Speaking of which, anyone need fills? I got a bunch boarded and want to put them to good use.
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By Retired breeder, 3rd February 2018 03:15:39
Great!!
I'll PM with what competitions I'm entered in default smiley :d
By ʀoo, 3rd February 2018 04:34:41
I have fallen very quite behind on the game. In fact I haven't played in so long I can't remember a word I am trying to use to ask a question default smiley xd I realize that the new starting GP for foundies is ungodly strange, but is there any other changes to breeding that is taking effect on the original NIB breeding? Like, the total GP foals get from parents, is there any changes/higher rates in that?
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By Asfridur, 3rd February 2018 09:09:06
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@✧ milk-blossom ✧ been trying to find your lady, but I cannot seem to find her.
Is she in breed only comps?

@rylz! yes the BLUP change has an effect on the GP.
An example if you bold the top 3 skills and has 5 wins = 65% BLUP
7 wins = 68% BLUP

As to the gain there is definitely a change now. the changelog

And a player posted this a while back
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By Retired breeder, 3rd February 2018 17:58:48
I am curious, does anyone currently do NIB Quarter Ponies? I got one I would like to start, but I am worried I won't find a covering...
By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 3rd February 2018 18:56:47
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I filled the comps their horse was in, Ash.
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By Asfridur, 3rd February 2018 19:47:57
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No wonder I couldn't find the horse anywhere default smiley ^)
Nice going!!
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