[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 5th January 2010 18:16:08
If anyone is interrested in NIB mustangs, PM me!default smiley (y)
By nlriver, 5th January 2010 21:36:23
Does anyone who breeds NIB Chinco ponies offer a broodmare service?

Please PM me if you do as I would like a foal from my stallion Pony Esonian. I know he's not very good, certainly not the best, but I would like a foal from him before he becomes a pass horse.
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By Forest Queen, 5th January 2010 21:39:58
I offer broodmare service but I only have arabians >.< lol

Hope you find a mare riverdoe default smiley (y)
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By rocket_girl, 5th January 2010 21:47:01
Just bred a pair of light bay fillies, Their names are Casablanca and Madrid. 354.49 GP and 71.47 GP =D Not bad for a pair of 2nd gens ^^
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By Yankee Lady, 5th January 2010 23:17:18
What rocket_girl didn't mention was that the twins were out of her 350.56 GP mare, Dapple Magic, and my 351.20 GP stallion, Senor Milo. Was disappointed in result since that is lowest GP foal for Milo since they removed 1 pt cap -- but also the lowest GP mare he has ever been bred to. So I guess not too bad -- his last foal before this was from 351.20 GP foundation mare and foal was 356.98 GP, expected to be 358.18 GP after games.
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For NIB breeders, I give 50% discount on covering fees. Right now limited to PSH studs but expect to have Irish Hunter and a couple of Barb studs, among others, in the next few weeks. All are at 351.20 GP and are being BULPed to 100 now. Hope to be adding some other breeds to group of standing studs over the next few months.
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Come check out the standard PSH studs available now -- Senor Milo at 500e (after NIB discount) and Mtztery at 200e (after NIB discount -- just starting breeding career).
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By Retired breeder, 6th January 2010 03:20:11
My foundation Paint stallion, All Chromed Out, is now 100% BLUP & bolded in all 6 skills! It felt like it took forever but I'm glad he's finished! He is available for covers, just pm me.
By Rowen, 6th January 2010 04:04:46
I have been away from the game for a bit due to personal stuff going on in my life but when I came back I was glad to see that people are starting up NIBing in earnest.

I am still working on breeding NIB Arabs and NIB Fresian Unis. The highest I have gotten so far is around 355.78. I was farther before but due to the disappearing horses those horses are no longer valid for the program.

I would like to add to the mix.

I have quite a few 100 BLUP foundation Arabian studs in my Elite Arabian Barn Plus a couple of second generation studs as well with 100 blup.

I also have 2 foundation Fresian Unicorn studs and 2 Fresian Unicorn mares with 100 blup if anyone wants breedings to add to their own NIB herds.

Also in my sale page there are three barb foundation foals for sale and one morgan foundation foal for sale if anyone is interested in them as foundation stock.

I would also be interested in any training programs for Arabs with lower gp that work well. I tend to get the job done but have a hard time with some of my horses because they are just so low it's hard for them to get wins over the higher horses.

~Rowen~
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By Rowen, 6th January 2010 04:14:17
I forgot to add to that post that NIB breeders get discounted rates for UNI and Arab breedings in my barn. I have it listed on the NIB site but forgot to put it on here for those that don't check that site

~Rowen~
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By Retired breeder, 6th January 2010 05:50:37
erm.. Just to clarify, how long down the lines is a Howrse considered NIB? Is it just no breeding between the foals, parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins? Or is it overall don't breed if they share a line to any mare or stud? default smiley :$

I'm interested in NIB breeding but I know that I don't have the time to do so. Therefore, good luck NIB breeders default smiley :)

-TinaH
By Rowen, 6th January 2010 11:51:23
TinaH

In order to be NIB you cannot have any repeats in your lines other than Ouranos and Gaia.

Thats the simplest way to look at it.

Rowen
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By Forest Queen, 6th January 2010 12:14:09
Rowen!!! I missed you *hugs*

Come take a look at my newest pet project Tikki Tech. He is in my 100's tab. Let me know what you think of him default smiley ;)

My highest so far is a 359.4 something GP 3rd gen (2nd gen to some players) not to bad considering I don't actually ever get around to playing with my foals.....or BLUPing foals once done with games default smiley xd
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By Retired breeder, 6th January 2010 12:23:08
How you decide price of NIB horse?

I have been looking around and seen that price can be anything from 500e to several passes and 20k equus or even more...

I just cant decide if some of the horses I see in sales are cheap or expensive, and since I'm not sure if I want to continue with my don horses.... would be waste to not sell them for someone else - just have no idea what I should ask in that case.
By Forest Queen, 6th January 2010 12:24:43
It really depends on the breed.....I can buy foundations anywhere from 4000e (and under being spectacularly good deal for me) all the way over 20k.......but I breed arabians and they are in high demand.
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By Retired breeder, 6th January 2010 12:36:15
I think the most I've paid so far is 10,000 & a few passes. As Forest said, it really depends on the breed & also if there are any BM items on them. If there's a rare GA coat on them...expect to pay twice as much as you are also competeing with the GA collectors who just want the horse for their coat.

I'm starting out in PSH's and they are incredible difficult to find. I paid 10,000e & a pass for a foundy adult with max gp & various BM items on them. He has also been the ONLY PSH foundy I've found with max gp. In auctions, for any foundy PSH foals I find before games I always start bidding at 2000. Usually, those can end up as high as 5000e.
By Retired breeder, 6th January 2010 12:37:39
It does depend on the breed. I've put some foundations in the sales recently and just filtered to suit the skills etc of my horse and then put the price a tiny bit cheaper than the cheapest horse similar to it. It also depends on how rare the horse is... if there are a lot of them, then they'll be cheaper.
By Retired breeder, 6th January 2010 12:53:29
I have a Mustang Foundation its around 3yrs so you can blup it default smiley :) im taking offers for it
By Retired breeder, 6th January 2010 12:57:57
I've been searching for barbs lately and their price could be just about anything. Just the other day I got fillies (unplayed yet) at the price of 1000 and 700. Actually other player bought them and sold then to me with same price she paid. That was cheap but i'm still not going to pay more than 4000 since theres quite a lot of barbs on private for less money.
By rocket_girl, 6th January 2010 13:34:05
blinky, I should have come here sooner default smiley xd. I got an untouched barb foundie filly for my birthday from a friend. I sold it for 1500e default smiley xd
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By Rowen, 6th January 2010 17:07:58
Forest Queen

Your new boy is amazing!! I am using a lot of my same stock from before but I am rebreeding some of my own foundies to see if I can get better babies this time. I am working on trying to get my second gens or first gens depending on how you look at it Blupped so that I can breed them to see what I get for GP then. I am having a real problem getting my horses to get their 20 wins. It's frustrating.

How are things going in your neck of the woods?

Rowen
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By Rowen, 6th January 2010 17:11:20
For those of you looking for Foundations I have three foundation barb babies that are pregame and one morgan foundation baby pregame.

I would offer them for lower prices for NIB breeders who need them to start up.

They are on my sales page right now feel free to take a look and message me if they would help you out.

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By Forest Queen, 6th January 2010 17:13:41
Well....stagnate other than my elite trained boy default smiley (lol). I have started collecting GAs and that has become a whole new world for me default smiley (lol) not to mention I may take up ozcowrns as well.....already collecting a ton. My highest is 359.4something. Name is Sleepless Dawn 9.43 (I think) and he is around 12 and not fully finished. I don't have a mare to pair him to either sooo....default smiley xd

Tikki is only offering to 5 outside mares and 2 have been called default smiley (lol). After that is only custom foals. Coverings are 500e for any NIB mare (doesn't matter breed or generation) and only 1 mare per player (preferred) 100 BLUP only. Custom foals will be available once all the coverings are used up for 5k and 1 pass (to offset the tears that will be used or 20k to pay for a tears)
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By Retired breeder, 6th January 2010 17:18:19
oops i made a mistake the horse i'm selling is 13yrs lol i knew it had a 3 in it default smiley :d
By Rowen, 6th January 2010 17:19:54
I think it depends on who is selling the foundations foals too I have seen them anywhere from 500 and one pass up to 50000 for arabians. Fresian Unis can be anywhere from 18000 up.

It really depends on whose selling it.

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By Forest Queen, 6th January 2010 17:34:08
Ya, I sold a foundie foal for (including the item value) 65k and that is an arabian colt, untouched. Arabs are so darn spendy default smiley xd

May end up selling another one, it's been played with and was messed slightly so only at 351.18. Not sure yet though default smiley *-)
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By Rowen, 6th January 2010 18:20:39
I saw one on the auctions the other day I saw one that was starting bid of 50k and they said they would pull it if it didn't get above 80k sometimes it's ridiculous

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