[Info] Cross breeders

By Retired breeder, 3rd April 2010 20:13:43
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Finally a post just for us cross breeders. The purpose of this topic is for cross breeders to have a place to discuss their crossbreeding programs and to share crossbreeding secrets and advice with others who may be interested in giving crossbreeding a try. Feel free to talk about your crossbreeding programs and your achievements and failures in crossbreeding.
Please remember to follow the rules of the forum and be informative and helpful. default smiley :-))

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Reminder to all.

Please do not advertise sales or items wanted in this topic. I can turn a blind eye to the covers being offered (as long as they are not blatant advertisements) because we are, after all, trying to help each other progress and there is no filter on public covers for searching for crosses, but items sales and items wanted do not belong in any of the public forums and we have a sales forum for horse sales so please, lets keep our topic clean of the ads.

Thanks everyone

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There are reasons for rules and everyone is expected to follow them. There will be no posting of advertisements in this topic and everyone is expected to be respectful. Any disrespect towards fellow players or moderators will not be tolerated. Anyone posting advertisements will receive a forum ban without prior warning. If breaking of rules continues to take place in this topic I will delete it.

Thank you
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By daydreamer08, 22nd July 2017 12:49:06
I am thoroughly confused as to why my post got censored... All I did was ask if someone had a cover available for me. The rules say that is allowed. Could a mod please tell me how I violated the rules? default smiley (o)
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By daydreamer08, 22nd July 2017 14:57:04
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I have seen a few foals in sales lately that are 50/50 GV/Lusi. I would recommend purchasing one (if you have the equus to spare) and giving it a go that way. Good luck!
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By deimos, 22nd July 2017 16:16:19


Your post was clearly a blatent advert asking if anyone could offer a cover including purebred. The rules actually say that is not allowed. There are plenty of covers available in public coverings. This topic is not intended to become a trading area for covers or any other activities. If another player is breeding horses you may be interested in you need to approach them individually
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By Retired breeder, 22nd July 2017 17:05:50
Hey guys default smiley :d Im new to cross breeding but Id like to try it out. Does anyone know what I could breed with a Quarter Horse or Paint Horse to make them perfect for reigning? Thanks!
By Retired breeder, 22nd July 2017 17:09:07
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OK, the Lusitano /vanner cross works really well. Almost to 11000 skill on my first boy.default smiley (l)
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By amylinn(:, 23rd July 2017 01:11:37
I totally forgot I bred one of my horses, Aisling, and ended up with this interesting cross: Ryro. (Excuse his name; he has the nickname of a former member of Panic! At The Disco default smiley (lol)) But anyway, I kind of like his skill set. I might try in gallop races. Or I might try target training to create another western comper (not sure which comp yet).
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By Ever, 23rd July 2017 03:44:00
Bred an interesting foal today. Though I had hoped he was a TB instead of a selle (seeing that his mom is a TB and dad is a lusti--both mixed with several breeds though haha). Does anyone know if the breed is random if it's the same percentage? or is there like an even smaller breakdown of the percentage? (for example, 25.1% vs. 25.2%? we just can't see the tenth of a percentage?)
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By Retired breeder, 23rd July 2017 12:21:20
Ever,
The breed will be whatever breed the sire was, even if it's a cross. So to get a TB foal, you would have to have a TB sire and a Selle dam
By Retired breeder, 23rd July 2017 12:24:55
Unless the one breed has more percentage than the others, then it will be that breed.
By Retired breeder, 23rd July 2017 12:35:39
(Sorry for third post but...) Another solution is both horses had some Selle in them so they produced a Selle baby. It also could have been that the father's second breed was Selle. But yes there could also be a smaller detailed percentage, because the highest in the line of the breeds in the horse (wow that's confusing) has the highest percentage, while the lowest has the lowest percentage. So if the breeds had the same percentage, the one that is lower in the bar has a tiny, tiny, tiny bit less of percentage that the one that is "the same amount" above it.
I hope that made sense...
By Ever, 23rd July 2017 12:36:28


I know! Which is why the breed of my foal confused me! Sire was a lusti. The breed percentages are 25% and 25% for TB and selle respectively (the other 75 is a mix of lusti, kpwn, and Arabian). So it seems that it randomized.
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By Legacy Ann, 23rd July 2017 12:36:30
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Crosses like that get a tad tricky.
I bred this Shetland cross to this Quarter Horse cross several times hoping to get a Shetland, but always got a Quarter Horse foal.

I even Bolted the parents to see if that would flip the breed and get it to take from another genetic slot but no go.
This foal has the Shetland as the dam, and
This foal has the Shetland as the sire, but they both came out Quarters. It could be that there is a further decimal we can't see.
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By Ever, 23rd July 2017 13:15:15
Thanks Legacy Ann! That's what I thought (Glad that someone had a change to try all that before! thanks default smiley :) )
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By Retired breeder, 23rd July 2017 21:39:38
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Ok I think I figured out the genetics. Correct me if I'm wrong in any way.
-If a foal has the same amount of two breeds in him, he will be the breed that his father had in him. Example: The foal has 25% Lusti and 25% TB, along with 50% of other breeds, and his father has 55% Lusti and 45% Arabian Horse, then the foal would be a Lusti.
-If the foal's father had both breeds, then it would be the breed closest to the top of the list of breeds on his page. Example: The foal is still 25% Lusti and 25% TB (50% other breeds,) but the father is 26% Lusti and 20% TB, then the foal would still be a Lusti.
- If the father of the foal had both breeds of the same percent, the foal would be whichever breed was higher on the list of breeds on the father's page. Example: (Same genetics for foal [25% TB, 25% Lusti]) but the father is 50% Lusti and 50% TB, and the father's breed that is closest to the top of the list was Lusti, the foal would be a Lusti.
-If breeding there are no "ties" for the percentage of breeds, then the goal would simply be the highest percent of breed.
(I'm so sorry this was long and complicated, but there is so much to explain. I'll try and get picture examples soondefault smiley :) )
By Retired breeder, 23rd July 2017 21:39:51
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Ok I think I figured out the genetics. Correct me if I'm wrong in any way.
-If a foal has the same amount of two breeds in him, he will be the breed that his father had in him. Example: The foal has 25% Lusti and 25% TB, along with 50% of other breeds, and his father has 55% Lusti and 45% Arabian Horse, then the foal would be a Lusti.
-If the foal's father had both breeds, then it would be the breed closest to the top of the list of breeds on his page. Example: The foal is still 25% Lusti and 25% TB (50% other breeds,) but the father is 26% Lusti and 20% TB, then the foal would still be a Lusti.
- If the father of the foal had both breeds of the same percent, the foal would be whichever breed was higher on the list of breeds on the father's page. Example: (Same genetics for foal [25% TB, 25% Lusti]) but the father is 50% Lusti and 50% TB, and the father's breed that is closest to the top of the list was Lusti, the foal would be a Lusti.
-If breeding there are no "ties" for the percentage of breeds, then the goal would simply be the highest percent of breed.
(I'm so sorry this was long and complicated, but there is so much to explain. I'll try and get picture examples soondefault smiley :) )
By Retired breeder, 24th July 2017 01:17:09
oops double post just saw that default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 24th July 2017 01:21:10
This is what I was talking about when I said top breed in list on horses page:


(credits to Legacy Ann, this is her horse default smiley xd )
By Retired breeder, 24th July 2017 01:32:40
Here are pictures for example 1 above:




As you can see, the foal has 26.7 % of both Shetland and Quarter Horse, but the father was mainly Quarter horse, making the foal a quarter horse
By Legacy Ann, 24th July 2017 02:23:42
^^The issue with those particular parents is that I bolted both of them to breed them with the Shetland as the sire and the Quarter Horse as the dam (actually I think they started as the Shetland as the stallion and the Quarter Horse as the mare because they are now what they are), and the foal still turned out to be a Quarter Horse. Which led me to think that there is a hidden decimal in there making the Quarter Horse the dominant breed. Otherwise when the Shetland was the father the foal should have been Shetland as well.

Here are those foals again.
This one has the Shetland as the mare, and the Quarter Horse as the stallion.
This one has the Quarter Horse as the mare and the Shetland as the stallion.

However, I forgot about this foal(another darn Q.Horse) which has Shetland listed first, Quarter Horse second. I once asked Contact Us if breed order was random in even crosses and received confirmation. The fact that Quarter Horse was the dominant breed in all three foals with the two breeds listed in different orders tells me that the percentages would have to be the same then. The issue is that I was never able to get that pair to throw me a Shetland foal. Every time I crossed them I got a Quarter Horse
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By Retired breeder, 24th July 2017 02:26:02


default smiley :'( I did all that work for nothing default smiley xd
By Retired breeder, 24th July 2017 02:26:32
I was actually about to work on how yours could have worked out default smiley xddefault smiley xd
By Legacy Ann, 24th July 2017 02:35:49

No, I actually found it helpful because it made me remember that third foal that had the breed order flipped. If the breed order flipped then that means the percentages would have to be equal. If one was slightly higher than the others then it should be listed first. Even if it's a hidden decimal I would think the game would still recognize it for breed orders, but I barely scraped a B in my programming class, so I'm by no means an expert on codingdefault smiley (lol)
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By Retired breeder, 24th July 2017 02:50:09
I'm the kind of person who cannot stand when something is random or unexplained, so my weird brain came up with a very unlikely explanation that I have to share (Im also an open person.) The bolt changes the gender yes, but when it comes to the genetics, it all stays the same. I know this leads to a lot of questions about other stuff though, so I am dismissing that thought default smiley xd What confuses me is your third foal, because I have never seen the top breed in the horse's list of breeds, not be the actual official breed of the horse. That might actually be a glitch. Do you know any other horses like that?
By megawifey, 24th July 2017 02:55:05
Anybody got a high GP TB mare and can breed a foal for me?
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