[Info] Cross breeders

By Retired breeder, 3rd April 2010 20:13:43
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Finally a post just for us cross breeders. The purpose of this topic is for cross breeders to have a place to discuss their crossbreeding programs and to share crossbreeding secrets and advice with others who may be interested in giving crossbreeding a try. Feel free to talk about your crossbreeding programs and your achievements and failures in crossbreeding.
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By Hobby Horse, 24th September 2024 03:14:02
What is the name of your mare?
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By NirvanaMustang, 28th September 2024 02:25:27
Can someone please explain to me how to make a 50.2 49.8 cross??? Thank you so much!
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By LahLee, 6th November 2024 23:25:37
So, when crossbreeding… does the offspring take the breed of the sire or the dam?
I thought it was the sire, but it seems to be the dam in my case.
I’m breeding Nokotas and mustangs right now, but I’ve got only nokota as the initial breed.
What is the formula, I guess that’s what I’m asking here.
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By CrimsonDax, 7th November 2024 20:57:56
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LahLee wrote:

So, when crossbreeding… does the offspring take the breed of the sire or the dam?
I thought it was the sire, but it seems to be the dam in my case.
I’m breeding Nokotas and mustangs right now, but I’ve got only nokota as the initial breed.
What is the formula, I guess that’s what I’m asking here.


If you're talking about a simple 2-way cross (both parents are purebred but not the same breed), then the foal will always take the sire's breed. So, if you breed a Vanner mare and a Quarter Pony stallion, then you'll get a QP-dominant foal.

It gets complicated if you're breeding horses that aren't purebred. I'm going to intersperse this with some examples from my own farm. If you are breeding two horses that are 2-way crosses of the same breeds, then the foal will take the dam's last listed breed. In my farm, I have a horse called Little Lady who is a 2-way cross of a Paint and a Thoroughbred, and her parents are both 2-way crosses of the same breeds. She's a TB-dominant cross because her dam's second listed breed is a TB. Her dam is Dance with the Devil.

If you're breeding two horses that are 2-way crosses of different breeds, then the foal will take the sire's last listed breed. My horse Felis Praecipua is a 4-way cross who is QP-dominant. Her dam, Say a Prayer, is a mustang/TB cross and her sire, Sidonius Apollinaris, is a QP/Vanner cross. His second listed breed is Quarter Pony, which is why Felis Praecipua is QP-dominant.

Breeding 4-way crosses together isn't something that I've personally done, but supposedly if you're breeding two 4-way crosses of different breeds, then you will get a foal whose dominant breed is the sire's second listed breed. If you breed two 4-way crosses of the same breeds, then you get a foal whose dominant breed with the dam's last listed breed. But, again, haven't personally confirmed this information so I would maybe experiment with tester foals if you're going to do this yourself.

Hope that answers your question!
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By LahLee, 1st December 2024 22:08:48
I’m not sure I’m quite understanding, lol.
I will give this example, both sire and dam are half and half nokotah and mustang, however all of their offspring came out only nokotah as the initial breed.
This is the offspring I’m referring, (excuse the Hanoverian offspring in the middle).
Does this look right? Why don’t I have any that come out as mustang as the initial breed?
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By CrimsonDax, 2nd December 2024 07:40:07
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LahLee wrote:

I’m not sure I’m quite understanding, lol.
I will give this example, both sire and dam are half and half nokotah and mustang, however all of their offspring came out only nokotah as the initial breed.
This is the offspring I’m referring, (excuse the Hanoverian offspring in the middle).
Does this look right? Why don’t I have any that come out as mustang as the initial breed?


If you go to your mare, Cinderella, and open the Genetic tab underneath her skills, you will be able to see the breeds order for her. In this mare's case, her breeds are listed as 1) Mustang and 2) Nokota. Because you are breeding two crosses together who are both Mustang/Nokota crosses, the game looks at the second listed breed of the mare to determine which breed is going to be dominant for the foal. In this case, her second listed breed is Nokota which is why all of her offspring are Nokotas. If you are really set on having mustang-dominant crosses, I would suggest breeding Cinderella's parents again until they produce a cross where the breeds list has Mustang as number 2.

I can't right now, but I'll try to post some screenshots later which will hopefully explain better. Cross-breeding on Howrse has some weird rules!
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By LahLee, 2nd December 2024 22:02:14
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Ah! Thank you very much for explaining all this. It is definitely helpful and I know what to do know. default smiley (l)
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By LahLee, 6th December 2024 01:21:08
So, I mostly just wanted a better balance of nokotah or mustang as initial rather than just one or the other, I’ll be working on that.
Meanwhile, With my current project of Nokotah and Mustang crosses, I’m quite pleased with how it’s going for them so far, these two for example Cinder’Otoh and Haelo.
What are your thoughts on this project?
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By PacificStarbird, 15th January 2025 03:38:43
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I managed to win a few rosettes with Izanami, my latest Thoroughbred/Appaloosa cross. She's my fourth generation rosette winner. Sadly, I probably waited too long to BLUP her; likewise, I probably won't be winning a ton of rosettes with her. However, she might have a few nice foals. default smiley (l)
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By QuirkyChaos, 6th March 2025 22:03:20
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I'm hopping in to say that I've been considering getting into cross-breeding, again, after not doing so for...eh, quite a few years. The only thing making me hesitate is the western/english specializations. I've gotten so used to just choosing whichever fit my horses' top skills best. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't help but feel like crossbreeding would make that a tad difficult?

I'm big into gallop races, cross-country, and show jumping, so I was thinking of maybe trying Arabian x KWPN x Selle Francais (I can't make that special "c" sign...thing) for jumping. Another project could be Arabian x TB or QH for racing. I'm just a little hesitant to go back to TBs, so maybe I could just go with QH? ^^;.

My goal, for the most part, is to have some rosette or grand prix horses.
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By Spirit~Of~Wanbli, 16th March 2025 15:36:32
HI Quirky

When I was in a top breed many years ago, I was allowed to do cross-breeding and got some lovely appendix horses, which were good enough for the GP, however I was after Rosette hunters instead.

Majority of the top teams refuse to do a top cover for a cross, so bear that in mind, before you actually to commit to doing one that will be a good GP and/ or Rosette hunter.

I do know TB x QH is the most common cross on the game, followed by TB x Arab
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By LahLee, 16th March 2025 18:19:55
Hi Quirky Chaos,
For me, I like to breed them as equal as possible to GP and BLUP.
I also take my purebred horses to the public coverings, and do selective breeding, I don’t care how much the covering is, I look for rosette winners to breed with. If I don’t see a compatible covering, I just don’t breed at all, and keep checking the public coverings for what I’m looking for. I have yet to throw in a third breed, and I don’t think I will, or feel the need to.

For what you’re wanting.
I personally would try my hand at these crosses, I think these would be a fun experiment.

For gallop
Quarter Horse X Appaloosa

For show jumping
Hanoverian X KWPN

For cross country
Arabian X Akhal-Teke
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By QuirkyChaos, 18th March 2025 16:32:43
Spirit~Of~Wanbli wrote:

HI Quirky

When I was in a top breed many years ago, I was allowed to do cross-breeding and got some lovely appendix horses, which were good enough for the GP, however I was after Rosette hunters instead.

Majority of the top teams refuse to do a top cover for a cross, so bear that in mind, before you actually to commit to doing one that will be a good GP and/ or Rosette hunter.

I do know TB x QH is the most common cross on the game, followed by TB x Arab


Yeah, I'm not in any teams, nor am I looking to be in one as I am strictly a solo player, lol! I'm just looking to have horses that are good at the sort of comps that I listed ^_^. I'm not looking to be super competitive. I want to have fun while also having some champions in my herds, lol!
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By QuirkyChaos, 18th March 2025 16:42:48
LahLee wrote:

Hi Quirky Chaos,
For me, I like to breed them as equal as possible to GP and BLUP.
I also take my purebred horses to the public coverings, and do selective breeding, I don’t care how much the covering is, I look for rosette winners to breed with. If I don’t see a compatible covering, I just don’t breed at all, and keep checking the public coverings for what I’m looking for. I have yet to throw in a third breed, and I don’t think I will, or feel the need to.

For what you’re wanting.
I personally would try my hand at these crosses, I think these would be a fun experiment.

For gallop
Quarter Horse X Appaloosa

For show jumping
Hanoverian X KWPN

For cross country
Arabian X Akhal-Teke


I did use to breed Tekes in my previous game, so I might throw that with Arabian and Selle or KWPN. I'll have to see. I did learn, today, that uh, both Selles and KWPNs are not great in stamina, but they are in jumping default smiley xd.

Not gonna lie, I'm a bit picky when it comes to breeds in my game ^^;. Only because I don't want to overwhelm myself like I used to, which would make me feel like I had to take long breaks away from Howrse. I don't want to risk doing that, again, lol!

Thank you for the suggestions, though! ^_^
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By LahLee, 20th March 2025 16:20:58
My Nokota Rising Dawn has done quite well in all the comps you mentioned above, you could try crossing with a Nokota?
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By CrimsonDax, 16th April 2025 22:36:19
Worried about this thread getting deleted. Figured I'd bump!
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By uryon, 11th May 2025 14:52:13
Hello everyone,
If I understood correctly, when you cross breed 2 50/50 horses with the same breeds, then the foal will take the dam's last listed breed. Do you know how the ranksof the breeds are determined? Which one of the two wil come first?
Thanks for helping out!
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By Royale, 11th May 2025 17:03:06
uryon wrote:

Hello everyone,
If I understood correctly, when you cross breed 2 50/50 horses with the same breeds, then the foal will take the dam's last listed breed. Do you know how the ranksof the breeds are determined? Which one of the two wil come first?
Thanks for helping out!


If you mean what order the breeds will be in a perfect 50/50 cross it's completely random. Sometimes they swap order, sometimes they stay the same for three generations, there's no way to know. Also sibling foals can have different orders from each other so breeding a tester doesn't matter.
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By uryon, 23rd May 2025 13:03:13
Thanks for the answer Royale.

I Have another question, I just bred 2 thoroughbreds 50/50 (arab-thoroughbred). The dam's last listed breed is thoroughbred, but the foal is a Arabian horse. So I don't understand anymore. How do we know the outcome of a cross of 2 perfectly 50/50 horses?
Thanks!
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By Legacy Ann, 23rd May 2025 13:32:19
uryon wrote:

Thanks for the answer Royale.

I Have another question, I just bred 2 thoroughbreds 50/50 (arab-thoroughbred). The dam's last listed breed is thoroughbred, but the foal is a Arabian horse. So I don't understand anymore. How do we know the outcome of a cross of 2 perfectly 50/50 horses?
Thanks!
It could be a weird fluke with all of the other issues going on. I bred another 50/50 test foal from this Tennessee x Newfoundland mare that I've bred throughout the years, and her foal took her last listed breed as usual. The foal is a Newfoundland.

Your foal, Salva Regina 2551 took its dam's last listed breed, but that's from a different mare. It'll be interesting to see if you get the same result if you breed Mariolilo 2571*'s parents again. If you get a Thoroughbred foal, then I'd say it's a fluke. If it's another Arabian, there could be a hidden percentage with the Arabian heritage that's actually bumping that up a bit more.
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By Legacy Ann, 23rd May 2025 13:57:23
I ran another two tests to be sure the system didn't flip and start taking the sire's second listed breed, and all looks normal.

I used the same sire for both of these foals, but with different mothers who had different breed orders.
This Newfoundland's mother is Walker x Newfoundland.
While this Walker foal's mother is Newfoundland x Walker.
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By uryon, 17th June 2025 09:51:59
Thanks Legacy Ann,

I did breed the same dame and sire and I got a Thoroughreb, the dam's last listed breed. So the first one, might just have been a fluke as you say.
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By daantje333, 18th June 2025 23:17:40
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Back after a very long break, looking for some advice.

What to breed with?

No particular goal, except I'd lke to win comps, lol. Just breeding to the highest GP offer gets boring, IMO.

Going to bed, any reply will be read tomorrow.
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By Nightphoenix, 25th June 2025 00:33:09
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daantje333: Not the most unusual choice, but I think an Arabian would cross well with her. That would help bump up the stamina and she’s already produced a nice cutting horse, so the foal could go either way!
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