[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Forest Queen, 10th January 2010 06:22:02
I took a 3ish month leave from here haha. Not to mention the week here and 2 weeks there thing I did before the 3 months straight thing I did.....right! to get back on track default smiley xd

I pm'd back about the mares and foals default smiley ;)
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By Rowen, 10th January 2010 06:29:48
Forest Queen,

I Pmed you again default smiley :)
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By Rowen, 10th January 2010 06:36:46
Question unrelated to NIBers actually does the horse you have in your profile pic have Arabian in its lines? Just curious. I need to update my profile picture but I love the tongue sticking out since it totally displays my horses attitude towards most things in life hehe. She is about three years older now so it's time for another candid. default smiley (lol)
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By Yankee Lady, 10th January 2010 06:48:20
NIB Morgan Breeders,
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I have my first foundation Morgan stallion fully BULPed and bolded and ready to breed. Will be doing his maiden breedings to the first 2 foundation mares fully BULPed and bolded. Hope to have fantastic results. Get in early for 200e covering costs -- after he has proved himself a good sire his price will go up (although I always offer 50% discount on fees to NIB breeders -- mares must meet certain requirements, 100% Morgan, 100 BLUP, fully bolded).
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Get in early for low covering costs from potentially great sire.
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By Yankee Lady, 10th January 2010 06:50:01
NIB Irish Hunter Breeders,
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I have my foundation IH stallion fully BULPed and bolded and ready to breed. Looking for mare for his maiden breeding. Hope to have fantastic results. Get in early for 200e covering costs -- after he has proved himself a good sire his price will go up (although I always offer 50% discount on fees to NIB breeders -- mares must meet certain requirements, 100% IH, 100 BLUP, fully bolded).
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Get in early for low covering costs from potentially great sire.
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Yankee Lady
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By Forest Queen, 10th January 2010 06:50:20
My avatar is my mustang boy....unfortunately in the middle of finding him a new home and me a new avatar though default smiley xd
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By Rowen, 10th January 2010 06:52:13
Oh no I'm sorry to hear that. I don't know what I would do without my girl. He is mighty cute too bad it you aren't selling him next year instead of this one. We will be looking for another horse then to keep my horse out of trouble lol.
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By Forest Queen, 10th January 2010 07:31:18
Unfortunately he is unsound as his hip is tilted so default smiley :-x not even really selling him....giving him away for free default smiley xd
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By Rowen, 10th January 2010 07:36:13
Poor baby I hope he finds a good home default smiley :(
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By Forest Queen, 10th January 2010 07:43:55
Me too....no one has even shown up to see him.....LOTS of no show calls though default smiley :-x....I don't like people that tell me they will come out and then don't default smiley (li)
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By Rowen, 10th January 2010 07:53:54
Me either, my sister tried to sell her gelding and she had a total of one person who actually came out to look at him. She did have a few that offered to just send her a check if she would ship him to them. She of course declined because she's not that gullible.

I would want them to come out and look at any horse I was selling before I sold it so I know they aren't meat packers coming to take my babies away.

So scary.
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By Forest Queen, 10th January 2010 07:58:21
Well it is a scam when they say they are sending a check in the mail. The check usually bounces and then YOU get penalized for it default smiley (li)
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By bluetempest, 10th January 2010 08:52:48
Did someone say they had a really nice EC that gave .1 for the lesson gain? Wondering if I could get a box. If anyone has something over .095 from the lesson gain please pm me.
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By Forest Queen, 10th January 2010 08:55:28
Nah, lots of us saying we were after .1% lesson gains though default smiley ;). I wouldn't place a 351.2 GP foundy in anything under .098% myself though default smiley :$
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By bluetempest, 10th January 2010 09:04:02
I can't never get an EC better than the ones that payout 21e. How much skill do though give? The only other option I have is to improve my own EC to that level default smiley :(
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By Forest Queen, 10th January 2010 09:13:57
21e I believe is .096% skills. 22e is .098 and 23e is .099. 25e is .1% (I believe)
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By Retired breeder, 10th January 2010 11:50:49
can someone tell me if my new mare Molli ღ~ℓιℓ' вєαυtу'ѕ~ღ is nib?? i looked and to me it looked like she was nib all the way but i would like to double and triple check that she is nib. there are no *disapeared horses in her family tree right now. thankyou
By Rowen, 10th January 2010 12:11:32
Forest Queen,

I PMed you. He is absolutely gorgeous and believe it or not just how I pictured him to be. I can't wait for spring now. default smiley (7)
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By Rowen, 10th January 2010 12:27:53
Fat Grey Pony,

She looks NIB to me default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 10th January 2010 13:18:37
I was just reading over the last few posts (okay, about the last few hundred) and now my head is spinning over the 1st, 2nd generation business....bear with me, math is not my strong suit...


....so...is it even worth training and breeding (I don't breed until 100 BLUP -- it IS possible, I BLUPped my first foundie mare despite not knowing what the heck I was doing) the 1st generation-ers?

Mind you, these are 1st generation from non-BLUP-ped parents (*sigh* -- the eager beavers of the newbie set -- she says as if she's been playing here for years default smiley ;)). In a fit of enthusiasm I bought up a few (admits to feeling sorry for the forgotten souls) with grand plans. Now I'm not so sure....getting a headache from trying to guess the GP gain from these unfortunates....Oh dear, what was I thinking?

I breed NIB newfies, btw...if that makes a difference. If anyone can be bothered..they're under the Fingal's Cave tab on my page....

default smiley :-))

If anyone sees me in the auctions, beat me off with a stick....default smiley ;)
By Retired breeder, 10th January 2010 13:41:43
Rowen, thankyou for looking at my mare for me. now i can relax.default smiley (y)default smiley :)
By Rowen, 10th January 2010 13:49:44
Wild North,

I have some First Generation Arabians that don't have whose parents weren't fully BLUPPED despite my efforts to get them there. I think if you can get them to 100 that's awesome and you should do it before you breed. But if you get a stubborn Foundation who just won't win any wins and isn't doing well I have bred them without being fully blupped and the foals turn out great. I only do that as a last resort though if I am getting close to 25 years and the mare just refuses to cooperate.

I would definitely give your first gens a try and see where they take you default smiley :)

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By Retired breeder, 10th January 2010 14:16:55
Thanks Rowen!! I quite enjoy the challenge of the BLUP so I'll give it a go.....some of the ones I bought were older and had little training so I've got a bit of catching up to do...but that's all part of the fun (for me, anyway) default smiley ;)

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By Rowen, 10th January 2010 14:20:16
Wild North,

As far as I'm concerned I prefer if they have little to no training when I start with them. They tend to do better that way, I have a few that were totally trained and the rides are done so now it's like pulling teeth to get them to get any wins in the competitions. Some of my horses aren't getting finished until they are just about ready to retire default smiley (lol). So I definitely know where you're coming from.

Good luck and may the howrse be with you default smiley ;)

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