[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Rowen, 9th January 2010 22:36:31
Necolasa

As a rule unless there are records of lines available for your horse most NIB breeders would not want to breed with it because there is no way to tell what the breeding was. The good news is that the auctions and sales are awash with NIB horses from foundations on up to second and third gens so it will be easy to find ones to work for what you want to breed. default smiley ;)
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By Rowen, 9th January 2010 22:39:14
ridenhi82

I totally agree I am paying way more for Foundation Arabs than I ever did and the prices seem to be going up instead of down. I guess it's a prime example of supply and demand at work default smiley ;). Well soon enough I will have babies to be training so I will busy enough.

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By Retired breeder, 9th January 2010 23:15:49
I know Rowen all my horses are NIB and I've never owned any that weren't I'm just frustrated that horses disappear ><
Thanks though^^
By 1PonyLover, 9th January 2010 23:27:11
Rowen & Necolasa;
I agree about records. I have a mustang that is NIB but I own none of her ancestors. I would love to have a way to "prove" breeding if a howrse disappears. I have feelers out to buy her parentage but no luck so far.
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By Rowen, 9th January 2010 23:41:15
1PonyLover,

For a while I was keeping track on an excell sheet but I decided to just not keep any with horse disappeared in their lines because there is no way to prove that what I said was their lines really was true. I just have decided that I breed only with my own horses or the horses of other NIBers so that I know the lines will stay available.

The other side of this too though is that if any of us decides to leave the game forever we should sell our stock to another NIBer so that the lines won't ever disappear otherwise any breeding program we start won't work at all. Most people are only breeding with their own horses rather than breeding to outside studs. This is really the only true way to be safe I guess.

Rowen
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By Rowen, 10th January 2010 00:48:10
I just went through and charted all my lines and I think I have a good start.

I have 56 foundations
27 males
29 females

So far I have bred 19 first generation foals

12 girls
7 boys

And one second generation foal

The question I have is should I still use foals from before.
I have some of my first generation foals that only have 352 or 353 for GP.

Is it worth it to train and breed them or should l start totally from scratch?

Rowen
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By Retired breeder, 10th January 2010 00:49:36
Hi fellow NIB-ers...

I was just reading on an earlier page about the trials of the auctions...tell me about it!! default smiley :@

How's this for making me want to stab myself in the eye -- my hubs is leaving the game so wanted to sell off his stock (I later convinced him to hang on 'til I can hire an RI -- he works for our farm!)...anyway -- he put his foundie Newfie in the public auction - missing a karma point that would let him use the private sales. default smiley :o Okay, no worries, I think...maybe no-one will notice.

So then my mother-in-law is visiting and I miss the auction and default smiley :odefault smiley :odefault smiley :o someone else bought her for 1 equus more than I bid!! default smiley :'(

So off I go to congratulate the lucky - I assume fellow NIB-type person -- and find out the filly is back in the sale....PREGNANT...in foal to a.....Connemara (GASP!). This clever person just knocked her up and put her back in....(oh, and without feeding her or putting her to bed or anything default smiley :@)

Needless to say..I spent way too much to get her back but I just couldn't let her go....

True story.

Anyone want a Newf/Connie cross? default smiley ;)
By Rowen, 10th January 2010 01:01:04
Wild North,

I know what you mean I have had two or three of the horses that I went after in the auctions bought out from under me and then put back in the auctions again for twice the price it was bought for.

Oh well I am out of the auctions for a bit anyway I spent all my money already so I need to save up before I go back. Maybe things will calm down before I get back on the sales page again.

Rowen
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By aml919, 10th January 2010 01:02:14
Rowen & ridenhi82 - the prices of NIB horses in general has been rising lately because of the renewed interest this forum is creating, but the price of untouched foundation Arab foals is way down from about a year ago. I can remember bidding over 30,000 for some foals and still being out bid, by quite a lot too. Hopefully we will not go back to that!
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By Retired breeder, 10th January 2010 01:09:59
I am so happy there is finally a thread for NIB Breeders! I breed Quarters and now Marwari.
By aml919, 10th January 2010 01:11:23
Rowen - about those 352 & 353 foals - If they were mine, I'm not sure what I would do, but if I still have the parents, I'd probably breed them again & see if I could improve on the gp, then use the old foal as a filler. If I didn't have the parents I'd probably use the foal anyway. I made a chart in excel to predict how many foundie pairs I need to make it to a greenstar & the number is staggering. Assuming a 4.7 point jump in GP per generation it will take 8 (7 if you call your foals out of foundies 1st gen) gens to get to 380. That will require 65 pairs of foundation horses.
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By Rowen, 10th January 2010 01:18:20
Yeah that's what I figured.

Some of the foundation horses I used died (before I realized that you shouldn't send them to heaven) so I figured I would keep those first generation babies and train and breed them just for the added lines.

The ones that I still had the foundation parents I rebred to get higher GP babies and then sold the NIB babies that I had before once the new babies were born.

I am also trying to not keep any foals whose parents aren't owned by me or another reputable NIB breeder who I know won't quit the game.

But I wasn't sure if I would get enough of a gain from the lower gp first generation babies to be worth keeping and investing time in training them to 100 blup.

I think I am going to try and keep them and I am adding to my foundations as I find them and the money to buy them of course default smiley ;)

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By Retired breeder, 10th January 2010 01:20:30
Wow all my horses and ponys are NIB i have one pony that is an NIB that does have a green star its Strawberry Roan Kent.default smiley (y)default smiley :-))
By Retired breeder, 10th January 2010 01:28:02
Summerdreamers sorry to tell you this but Strawberry Roan Kent is inbreddefault smiley :) Look at his father's family tree.
By aml919, 10th January 2010 01:30:17
Summerdreamers - I looked at a bunch of your horses and couldn't find any NIBs. You have to look at the horses complete genealogy.
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By nlriver, 10th January 2010 01:31:57
Does anyone remember when you used to be able to get foals for 500e in the PS? From what I remember, it was mostly uni rejects, but still, you could easily take your time and pick between them. Now they're gone in a few seconds and I'm lucky to get one a day. I refuse to go near the auctions because of the price hike.
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By Rowen, 10th January 2010 02:06:54
riverdoe,

I remember that. That's why I was so shocked when I went to try and get a few more foundies and couldn't find any that weren't outrageously priced. I try to get some out of the auctions but even those get super high priced because of the demand for NIB horses right now.
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By Rowen, 10th January 2010 02:14:02
What is the going price for Barb foundation foals? I am having a heck of a time selling them not sure why.
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By nlriver, 10th January 2010 02:26:13
Rowen: Was yours the one I saw for 1,100e? I was so tempted to buy him, but I have 90 Morgans to be gamed at the moment. Waiting on spring coming, though.

Everyone: I'm still looking for foundation Morgans. Willing to pay passes for untouched foals! And I will also pay passes for any adults with full games gain.
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By Rowen, 10th January 2010 02:28:36
No unfortunately my Morgan foundation foal sold right away.

I have three barb foundation foals that have been in private sales for forever. I just moved them to the auctions for 500 each. Hopefully they get more attention there.

Made me wonder though if maybe Barbs aren't as popular as some of the other breeds since I got zero interest in them.
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By Retired breeder, 10th January 2010 02:33:37
Might anybody here bred NIB TB's that are pure? I'm trying to find a stud for my foundation mare but it isn't working.
By Rowen, 10th January 2010 02:41:11
If you go to my page on the bottom there is a link to the NIB breeder website and there is a list of Thoroughbred breeders there.
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By Retired breeder, 10th January 2010 02:41:52
Ahh, that is very useful. Thanks, Rowen.
By Rowen, 10th January 2010 02:42:45
you're very welcome
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By nlriver, 10th January 2010 02:49:04
Rowen: I think it's because Barbs don't have very high dressage. Personally, I'd class them as average dressage, along with Mustangs, and people are always looking for high dressage horses to boost their ECs into the top 500.
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