[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Forest Queen, 10th December 2009 20:00:00
I don't believe foundies could be 349 but their foals could be especially if they weren't 100 BLUP at the time of breeding. It would have been much easier almost for the 0GP project to get further at that point.

It is funny lively the horse you pointed us towards is a retired GA default smiley :p
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By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 22:00:05
You guys do know that screen shots *can* be altered to appear like the Gaia/Ouranos when they are not, right? Not saying that real NIB breeders would do that, but a picture can't necessarily be fool-proof evidence that your line is NIB.
By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 22:25:50
My horses are all NIB. Yep, all *four* of them.default smiley :-))
By always, 10th December 2009 23:22:59
Mrs. Cullen - actually only 2 of them are. The two with greenstars have ancestors that are the foals of siblings.
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By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 23:53:30
Hey there! Is anyone breeding Foundation Canadian Horses? I just finished my mare a couple days ago, and I'm looking for a cover from a good CH stallion.
By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 00:19:21
Forest Queen, yup sure enough one of my stallions (my highest, 350.62) was born 2008-01-07 default smiley :). How neat, I love him even more now default smiley (lol) default smiley (l). NIB breeding is such fun.
By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 00:32:20
mm .. no I remember that some foundies were less than 350. I am almost positive of it. As for the horse I pointed you to.. hehe I would be surprised if he wasn't retired. LOL I put that coat on her/him ( he has had bolts used on him) wayyyyy back when he initially turned 3 and when i originally sold him I believe it was for around 6-7 passes at least. Back then I had a pass obsession as well.
When I came back in game I did not realize teh huge gp jumps at first and went on a binge trying to buy back all of my old horses.
Studbrat sold me quite a few of them. ( including some of the old foundies I had been working prior to quitting lol).
By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 02:37:59
How can that happen? All foundies start out with a 350GP; it can only get better.
By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 03:07:10
things in the game have changed over the years.
By always, 11th December 2009 03:27:07
livelyblue - I'm 100% certain that foundations have never been lower than 350. A lot of the original first generation NIBs were around 349, and also once horses started disappearing there were horses that said they're parents were Ouranos and Gaia that had lower GPs, but really had disappeared ancestors.
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By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 03:29:21
Im also one from the very beginning ..and they always have the starting point of 350 it is the first generations that end up going down from not gaming, training, and 100 blupping the howrses to the max before breeding..that is just my two cents..default smiley :)
By always, 11th December 2009 03:31:23
*Excited* Just bred a 2nd generation that will have 362.01 GP after games! My best 2nd gen ever!
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By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 03:47:01
woohoo..way to go..you are on a roll..
By Loti, 11th December 2009 03:55:20
I love my NIB horses. Im hope maybe this will get us some support. default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 05:38:15
arabs????? GP?? like 700????? isent it???
By bluetempest, 11th December 2009 05:47:04
That are for green stars not NIB horses 1acorn.
Can anyone help me get my two foundation horse to win 4 comps? Fillers are wanted.
I want to breed these two at some point only need 4 comps each.
http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=5874711
http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=5895046
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By Forest Queen, 11th December 2009 06:27:03
Sasha .08

Finally!! I started to "speed" train Sasha about 2 days ago. She was about 8 and had roughly 50% skills......I was unaware until half way through that she was without a timer.....it took sooooo long to get her where she is now but I finally did it and see all those wins she got while I was bolding her! And she has more pending still.....haha

Sigh* more MA foundies to speed train still though default smiley :p
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By Reigenlief, 11th December 2009 08:25:42
I have NIB Canadians, feel free to check them out in the listing under Valhalla Canadians. Most can trace back to my starting mare, Valkyrie. If anyone is interested, I'm always looking for breeding partners for NIB Quarters, Canadians, and Russian Dons.
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By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 09:20:14
Maybe I am wrong who knows. At this point does it even matter? Any chance we can just drop it. I know what I have seen in the past. Regardless of whether or not others believe it. POint is gp jumps are much greater now than they were then.
*sigh* I am just dropping the topic period.
By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 09:20:33
Also , may I have my head back yet?
By nlriver, 11th December 2009 11:28:24
Forest Queen: Wow, Water of Youth and no timer, you must have the patience of a saint. I had a horse like that once... a long time ago. I eventually sold her because it took so long to try and BLUP her. Good going!
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By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 11:28:28
"Old" foundies did differ from the current foundation horses in that gain through games was distributed unevenly across the skills. I'm not sure I have any 2007 foundies any more, but if I come across one I'll post so you can see what I mean.
By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 11:36:05
Okay, found an example:

Old-style Foundation

Genetics Total : 350.32
Stamina 40.04 Gallop 90.08
Speed 65.06 Trot 20.02
Dressage 75.07 Jumping 60.05
By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 13:52:04
Wow, I'm learning so much by reading this topic. Forest Queen, *cheer* Sasha has her 20 wins now default smiley :). I've been trying to avoid entering my non NIB arabs against her default smiley (lol), so glad to hear she did so well.

Horses with WOY and no CT are a pain default smiley xd. The worst part is I never seem to realize they don't have a CT until I've already bought them *sigh* and sometimes I don't realize they have a WOY either. I think I've only ever done two horses like that before, one was a Welsh unicorn and the other is my favorite Welsh foundie mare, who was only around 4 or so when I bought her so double lessons every day got her 440 skills default smiley (l).
By Retired breeder, 11th December 2009 14:08:26
Sorrry if I overreacted earlier my apologies/ *sigh* been a rough day.
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