[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 12th December 2009 00:45:17
actually you should read the pm better it wasnt insulting at all..It was just letting you know how and what you did..but that is okay...I love this game and I love visiting with the people on this game..and I love helping the newcomers..if you misunderstood that is up to you to want to understand better..take a better person to do thatdefault smiley :) sorry guys you dont need to listen to miscommunications..so disregard any of this..
By Storms Ransome, 12th December 2009 00:45:45
Thanks lively, i'll do that default smiley :) And please remember you are more than welcome to my forum default smiley :) Maybe with your help, I can get a nice clean one going like yours default smiley :) I admire your forum a lot. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. If I find any Connies, I will remember you, and then sell the horse to you for 500e since you are NIB default smiley :)
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By Storms Ransome, 12th December 2009 01:02:00
do you think it would be easier to just focus on one breed? instead of 4 or 5?
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By Retired breeder, 12th December 2009 01:11:13
Yes, it is much easier to focus on one that 4 or 5. At least for me it was.
By Storms Ransome, 12th December 2009 01:17:35
I think I want to go after my appaloosas. Lively what do you think? Do you think they are a good breed to pursue?
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By tayba, 12th December 2009 01:23:22
Appaloosas are probably a great breed to start with. Looking over the NIB list I joined (that seems to be pretty much dead default smiley :( ), there weren't that many appie breeders there.

Also, try to avoid my mistake....I've completely overloaded myself with foundations of nearly every breed. I'm not sure I've got enough years in my life to get them all blupped. default smiley :(
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By Storms Ransome, 12th December 2009 01:25:32
Lol. That's ok. If you have any Appys I'll gladly take them off your hands default smiley :)

And I think I'm going to go with them. I don't know why no one breeds them. They are such a popular breed in RL.
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By Retired breeder, 12th December 2009 01:26:26
I think that whatever breed you pursue should be the one you most enjoy. Which.. is a question I cannot answer for you. I enjoy connies and always have which is why I pursue them. My husband enjoys arabs hence he pursues them.
By Retired breeder, 12th December 2009 01:50:26
Tayba, if you have any Friesians with 351.20gp or foundy foals, I will be glad to take those.
By Retired breeder, 12th December 2009 01:51:10
Thank you for talking about this. I've only been on howrse for 17 days and have aquired 9 horses already. I bought a mustang mere in auction and breed her with my foundation horse, they had twins. I didn't realize until much later that there was inbreeding in her line, about six or seven generations in. I love her so much and it was never my intention to have inbred horses. default smiley :( Is anything being done to prevent this from happening? Most of the horses I've looked at have inbreeding somewhere in their line. I had almost given up hope of finding NIBs.
By tayba, 12th December 2009 02:04:42
Alassíeℓ - Sorry, none of my friesian foundies are for sale at the moment.....But I'll happily offer coverings from the stallion when he's bolded (he's got his 20 wins already, just needs to bold).

Contra23 - There's nothing wrong with inbred horses, you can choose to have multiple lines if you want. I've got both IB (inbred) and NIB with my Hanos, Arabs and IH. MY advice is: if you like the horse(s) you've bred (regardless of lineage), keep. If you don't like the horse, sell. NIB horses tend to be rather expensive in auction as the more experienced players tend to have more money to burn. default smiley :(
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By nlriver, 12th December 2009 02:05:05
Storms: If you happen to have any Morgans lying around that you don't want. If you're going to be focusing on Appies, would you consider selling them? (Sorry if this isn't allowed, I am only asking)

I am not looking forward to BLUPping Tamriel. Trying to save up my passes to really focus on one of my foundations. Only I can't decide if I'm going to do a mare or a stallion. I plan on properly training them, Nyx and maybe A. Pack, WOY, GA, MB and clouded. I want to see exactly how many skills a foundation can get when it's fully clouded and everything. And I really don't want to know how much this is going to cost me......

With that, its 2am so I'm off.
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By Retired breeder, 12th December 2009 02:06:47
The majority of horses in the game are inbred. If you enjoy your horse though there is nothing to keep you from playing her. I have both inbred and non-inbred horses. I use my inbreds to support my non-inbreds.
As far as the game goes there are no adverse affects from inbreeding( real life is different though).
The best bet for an NIb horse is to breed it start to finish yourself or purchase it from a reputable NIb breeder.
By Storms Ransome, 12th December 2009 02:57:19
Lively I know I bought some Morgans from you, but would you mind if I sold them to riverdoe?

The only thing I ask Riverdoe is that they get to live out their full lives with you, without going to SH. I don't have anything wrong with it, but I like my horses to have a chance. And I can't really explain why its important to keep them out of the SH even though I do know that it is a good place to put them.
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By Yankee Lady, 12th December 2009 06:22:17
riverdoe,
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From personal experience (I've been playing NIB for 2 1/2 years) I discourage people from putting WoY on their horses. It does NOT speed up the training, it actually slows it down. Normally a horse ages 2 months each "day", with a WoY it ages only 1 month a "day". Now that sounds like you could really speed up the training, but unfortunately Howrse doesn't work that way. With an WoY, unless Howrse has changed the way it does things, you can only train 1/2 the amount you can usually train -- so with WoY you have to do 2 days of training for each 1 day of training without WoY. Now a Chronos Timer DOES speed up training. For each "day" of working the horse you get to do 2 days of training. So it halves your normal training time.
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The only time I use WoY is on my standing studs as that allows me to get more coverings out. But I don't put the WoY on them until they are completely bolded out and 100 BLUP. With the WoY on the studs I seldom immortalize them because the WoY lets me get enough coverings in during its normal lifespan.
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As I said, this is from personal experience, not from some study or whatever.
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By Yankee Lady, 12th December 2009 06:36:26
Potential and active Morgan NIB breeders,
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I am on the market for foundation Morgan foals -- prefer fillies. As Rivenwood said, we can ask about horses we are interested in, just not about those we are selling ourselves. I am developing in good sized foundation Morgan herd, just have to find the time to train them.
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Am mostly interested in fillies, will take colts in rarer colors also, under 6 months of age, untouched training wise. If older and through games training, must be 351.20 GP. Not much interested in over 2 years old unless something unusual.
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Once they are trained, I will have a number of foundation studs available for coverings. But that won't be for awhile.
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Potential and active PSH NIB breeders,
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For NIB PSH breeders, I have a couple of standing foundation studs. Coverings are discounted for NIB breeders. The horses are under "PSH Foundation Breeding Stock" breeding farm and are 1BS Senor Milo (he is a marvelous sire, has not been bred for quite awhile, has produced some fantastic horses) and 1BS Mtztery (young stud just starting breeding life). Other studs under that farm have been sold but will give coverings until they are picked up.
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Other potential standing studs,
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Am working on having both Barb and Irish Hunter foundation studs, both still in training.
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By Retired breeder, 12th December 2009 06:45:53
hiya i deleted my old game and decided to start aresh and am going to breed nib horses. as its beore the 20 days i can buy gaia foals so if anyone would like me to get them one please inbox me default smiley :) x
By rhavennah, 12th December 2009 06:57:48
thanks to everyone who answered my question about training vs winning default smiley :)

now that i know that only foundies or no inborn skilled horses can enter the 0% barrel races, i have created my barrel race to be 0% speed, open to all breeds default smiley :) hopefully this will help out some of the generous and kind people in this forum...

thanks again
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By Forest Queen, 12th December 2009 08:14:07
The only thing I like about WOY is that you DO get twice as many skills from lessons and trust me after 20ish years of double lesson gain there is a big jump in skills aquired. My 351.2 foundie foals will be equiped with every item I can find including WOY to optimize the amount of skill and possible comps I can have for them not to mention I will be testing with them the max skills I can gain because I will be clouding them to the max. I know I have seen at least one foundation with roughly around 440% or more in skills owned by Yipee! . I do like WOY when used properly....just not alone, it must be paired with a timer for me to appreciate it much default smiley (lol)

To the player who was going to start appaloosas, Loti is a reputable NIB app breeder default smiley ;)

To those who breed arabians, I do custom foals and am more than happy to work out a foal if anyone is interested. I am also on the look out for immortal foundation arabians or connies, or foundation with GA attached default smiley (y)

Thanks
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By Retired breeder, 12th December 2009 10:13:27
I think my question got lost ...


Ok, another random question from me...(I'm almost out of them I promise)

A few people have mentioned pairing up two horses and breeding a few times, then choosing the best foal from them.
If I were to do that, how would I choose two horses to pair?

If I don't do that, what are some other methods of choosing which horses to breed to each other?
By Retired breeder, 12th December 2009 12:23:31
Storms Ransome,those horses are yours default smiley :) it is up to you what you do with them.default smiley :pI will have no ill feelings regardless of what you do with them.


Forest Queen you can easily reach over 440 skills with woy on a foundation. If you plan to fully cloud them as well ( depending on lesson gain) you could quite possibly hit 460+ in skills on your foundie.
MY original foundation mare made it to 444 with the 19e lessons and I did not put woy on her immediately. Same with my daughters foundie mare. No clouds were used on either of them.
As Yankee Lady said though .. woy doesn't speed up training..however, the bonus from it is the extra lessons or in the case of stallies extra coverings. It is a royal pain on a mare at times.
Water of youth , even though it cuts the skill gain in half. from training rides and such..is stll possible to BLUP your horse by the same age as a horse without a chronos timer.. just takes you longer to get to that same age,
CHronos timer as Yankee Lady said is what will boost the actual speed with which you train a horse as they gain more skills.


rhavennah, that is very sweet of you. I must say though that those low end races do not run as often as I would like but I love that you are willing to put the race out there for folks.

LoloJean, the method I usually use is I look at the genetics and see who will balance out each other. For instance with my 1g horses if I have a stally with 356 and a mare with 355 i will cross them even though I have a 356 mare. This is more or less so I can keep their gains at about a level out area. As for the pairing of my foundies.. i am random about that as you never know really how that foal will turn out,. I have had 350.05 range horses toss amazing foals off of a similar stally and had 351 mare toss mediocre even with similar gped stallies.
By Retired breeder, 12th December 2009 12:42:09
Me and my pal, Shamu10, are going to hopefully start breeding NIB Barbs after we get ours fully blupped. But right now we're just trying to get foundation Barbs and traning the ones we already have. So it will be awhile before we start breeding them. If I can get passes (when I can afford to get some) I'll probally nyx pack all my barbs.
By Retired breeder, 12th December 2009 13:59:28
Forest, I have an unclouded foundie (with WOY) with 457.6 skills, so no worries there...
I do like WOY; as well as twice as much skill gain from lessons, it also means you can do more comps so have a better chance at wins. But I don't work that many horses, so I can afford to be patient default smiley (lol)
Timer speeds up training only, and doesn't give any extra skills, but I really love having one on those WOY howrses! default smiley xd
By Retired breeder, 12th December 2009 14:30:12
so does anyone do nib irish hunters??? x
By Forest Queen, 12th December 2009 14:54:22
default smiley (lol) gaff I am more than certain I have some lying around. If you see any you like let me know as I will probably never get to all of the horses I have default smiley :p

Lolo I had responded to your question directly below you the last time you asked default smiley ;)

I know WOY doesn't speed up training but combined with a timer they can be a formidable training tool if one is really looking for maximum skill gain. Unfortunately I never can get a hold of foundations that are under 5 years it seems so I am already missing on important lessons and often times starting very late on their training as many newbies seem to be more interested in the breeding part of this game than they are in the training. I don't blame them, I was one of them when I started lol
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