[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 04:41:35
As I had said earlier, when I buy a NIB that has parents that are not my horses, I save a screen shot of it and save it into my computer. My intention is to put this into the geneology program I am working on setting my horses up in and attaching these screen shots to each horses record. That way I have proof.
By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 05:07:23
Ardenia - glancing through your horses, I recognized some of your missing lines to be due to the disappearance of Kandy, whom was a popular stud with Illusory Thrall, sybanshee and myself a long time ago when 100 BLUP foundation studs were hard to find, and one day disappeared from the game. I had quite a few with him in their genealogy that I decided to turn into pass horses, fillers or just plain sell. Yes, I knew that they were still NIB, but I didn't want to have to bother trying to convince other people about the fact. So now a days, I find I simply check my "outside lined" hanos monthly to see if a horse has disappeared, or if the owner of a dead horse has retired their account, as this horse will disappear with the next server cleaning, and I cull these horses from my program, as much as it hurts to see them go. On that note, your Hano Baby #1 and #2, they're grandsire on their sire's side is dead on a retired player's account, so they are now at risk for broken lines. I'd suggest getting something figured out to prove their lines, or re-assign them or sell them in your program before investing too much time. I guess the moral of the story is always be careful when dealing with outside lines, and as you've stated above, if someone is deleting their account hopefully they will sell their stock to other breeders.

livelyblue - if you sell your horse as a pass horse to someone else it can easily disappear as if the player that buys the horse eventually deletes their account, the dead horses delete with it. So best idea would be to use the pass horses for yourself instead of getting the extra equus but risking the chance of broken lines.
By Ardenia1, 10th December 2009 05:12:25
Hello Cinnasue71. default smiley :d

Thank you for the tip. Unfortunately my computer won't do screen shots. I didn't know how to do screen shots so I asked my computer geek son and discovered that our computer won't do them. That is a great idea though. I hope everyone who can do screen shots will do that. I've tried printing mine out but can't scan it back into the system for howrse.

I wish we could come up with a uniform program on howrse that would allow us to trace them all the way back.

After reading what I wrote earlier please let me add that Obsidian Moon has done a great job in keeping track of everything in her NIB list. I don't know what all is involved, but I'm sure it involves a lot of time and space to keep track of all the NIB breeders and their horses. I applaud her effort in keeping track of all that she does.

When a NIB breeder leaves howrse and deletes their account there is nothing Obsidian Moon can do anything about it. The line will have disappeared horses. And that will always occur on howrse. Some players may do screen shots while others won't be able to. We need a more consistent way of keeping track if we are to ever achieve green-star horses and keep green-star horses. Those who did achieve green-star horses had their lines broken so they are no longer counted.

I hope someone can come up with a way of keeping a consistent track of NIB horses on howrse. It will be the only way we can consistently keep track of NIB horses. default smiley ;)

Ardenia
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By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 05:21:44
I am typically a NIB breeder. My goal although is to have horses with GP between 350-360 with really high skills. But I do not IB my own horses. All of them (but one I think) is NIB.
By Ardenia1, 10th December 2009 05:21:48
Hello always. default smiley :d

Thank you for the great advice. You have said what I've been trying to say. lol.

I've been up a lot with a bad toothache so I'm not thinking as clear as I normally would be. I've just gone to the dentist so I should be back to my normal self soon.

Ardenia
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By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 06:48:58
I was under the impression that as long as the howrse was not bred by the breeder when they delete their account, the howrse will not disappear. I do have a howrse that seems to support that theory - the breeder has been a retired breeder for over a year, but mum is still in heaven...
By Forest Queen, 10th December 2009 06:51:13
that is interesting....so horses bred by a the breeders that will retire are the ones that disappear not the horses they are holding onto when they go?
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By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 06:51:59
that was my understanding last time I was NIBing...
By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 12:19:39
The horses disappear when they are owned by someone who quits.

livelyblueyes: As far as games, I use sassyk's games. They give full gain and leave the horse with 20% energy on the last day! Still haven't found anything to top that....lol


As there are tons of foundie paints, should I set a lower limit as far as GP? Or would it not matter in the long run?
By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 14:15:27
SCreenshots of before they disappeared would be the only real way I can think of ,but not sure how many would still buy/use him or whatnot.
By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 14:29:01
livelyblueyes - if I were going to buy a stally, for example, from someone that had a dame that disappeared but they had a screen shot that provved NIB, I would buy it. You can't fake the lineage in a screenshot. default smiley :-))
By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 14:54:22
Wow, I can hardly believe my luck default smiley :o I bred a 350.40 foundie stallion with a 350.28 foundie mare and got a 356.57 1G colt, then I bred a 350.00 foundie mare with a 350.62 foundie stallion and got a 356.76 1G colt. That seems pretty high considering the parent's GPs default smiley :d. These are all Welshes by the way.
By Forest Queen, 10th December 2009 16:21:12
What date were those foundies bred on? If any say 2007 I have noticed those have been producing high GP 2nd gens
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By bluetempest, 10th December 2009 17:43:48
Wow interesting. I almost never buy horse with 350 GP even when they have good items on them. Most of the ones I have with low GP are lucky to get foals with 353 after games. Wonder what a foundation born in 2007 with 351.2 would get or is there even a difference?
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By Forest Queen, 10th December 2009 18:01:10
there aren't any from 2007 like that. The absolute highest I have seen from that time is close to 350.8 but those were very rare. the 1.2 GP gain is from one of the GP jumps that Howrse did
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By rebekka, 10th December 2009 18:09:58
yeah I was here 2007 and didnt get better foals for that, just as normally 350-352 max
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By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 18:20:31
Just checked, all four are 2008 or 2009 foundies, how odd. Very interesting about the 2007 foundies though, I never knew that default smiley :).
By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 18:25:25
its think its great that you guys are NIB,
By Forest Queen, 10th December 2009 18:29:13
Thank you mercury

Darth even early 2008 foundies tend to do similarly. I like to collect foundations or any horse from 2007 really default smiley :) as I like how it used to be set up then, just clinging to the old ways default smiley (lol)
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By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 18:38:05
i have a foundy dont i? thats what you start the game with, right? and what you get from the gaia foal stone thingy
By Forest Queen, 10th December 2009 18:39:19
yes you have a foundation default smiley :) and that is what the Gaia foal stone is for as well default smiley (y)
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By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 18:40:12
kool, thanks forest queen, still learning how to play default smiley xd
By Forest Queen, 10th December 2009 18:48:44
No problem, we have all been in your shoes at one point default smiley ;)
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By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 19:25:00
Hmmm. What if someone were to provide a lineage screenshot service? For example, my computer takes screenshots. I would be happy to provide a screenshot service in exchange for equus. Since I can't be given equus straight yet, I would accept being gifted aging points or BM items, for example.

Obviously there would need to be a standardized pricing system.

Also, this is my idea, so I get first dibs! default smiley ;)default smiley :p
By Retired breeder, 10th December 2009 19:51:27
In 2007 a 351 NIb horse period was a high end connie. GP's didn;t gain like they do now from one breeding to the next. The breeding back then was much much harder. For example this horse topped the connie rankings at number 1 for awhile --
http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=723426 ( Haha I know because I bred the bugger lmao on my original account)..
Gp's rise much faster now than they did then both on inbreds and NIB's. At that point in time it was totally possible for a good NIBer to top the rankings for it's breed. Then again, at the time connies were not near as possible as they are now either.
I did NIB horses then as well as now. Also back then it was also totally possible that you might end up with a foundie that had a 349 range gp. As I said things have changed immensely,
As for the 350gp foundies nowadays. I do not discriminate they still throw some very good foals. I will buy a low foundie as fast as I high foundie. Although, I will pay more for a high foundie.
The only real prob with low foundies is sometimes they can be a pain to train otherwise they are just as good in my opinion.
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