[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
208
It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
Go to page:
By gowildkratts, 2nd March 2019 19:59:06
2
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Evan
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Canadian
Current GP: 472.5
Link to the Horse's Page: https://www.howrse.com/elevage/chevaux/cheval?id=58758446

He also has 4*
gowildkratts
  • Posted messages: 1,436
  • Karma: 10 points
By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 2nd March 2019 23:00:21


Yup, he's nib. Hopefully Misabel will have time to check all the entries tomorrow and let the mods know so they can change it.
ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ
  • Posted messages: 745
  • Karma: 10 points
By Storms Ransome, 2nd March 2019 23:08:49
Is that how it's done? If so, I'd totally start submitting entries again
Storms Ransome
  • Posted messages: 3,150
  • Karma: 10 points
By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 2nd March 2019 23:15:35
That's how I understand it's done~
ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ
  • Posted messages: 745
  • Karma: 10 points
By gowildkratts, 2nd March 2019 23:32:46
Can NIB horses breed with their NIB siblings?
gowildkratts
  • Posted messages: 1,436
  • Karma: 10 points
By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 2nd March 2019 23:45:38


If they came from the same parents, their foal won't be considered NIB, because the grandparents would show up twice in the line.
ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ
  • Posted messages: 745
  • Karma: 10 points
By Twinjodi, 3rd March 2019 00:07:20
Update: New Holsteiners are up to 4478 now o.0

Definitely already a bigger difference then in the Trotters, wonder if it will keep increasing by two every other day until the end of the competition. Hmm.
Twinjodi
  • Posted messages: 944
  • Karma: 10 points
By Twinjodi, 10th March 2019 16:23:57
3
Frenchie Federation has reached 150 foals produced/created default smiley :)

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Henriette
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): French Trotter
Current GP: 4217.28 (364*)
Link to the Horse's Page: https://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=58996677
Twinjodi
  • Posted messages: 944
  • Karma: 10 points
By kooldogz7, 10th March 2019 22:07:51
2
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Tairen
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Curly
Current GP: 4480.67 (391*)
Link to the Horse's Page: https://www.howrse.com/elevage/chevaux/cheval?id=59079024&message=vieillissement

*** This horse is from two new foundies with the higher GP. She is a 1st Generation.
kooldogz7
  • Posted messages: 749
  • Karma: 10 points
By kooldogz7, 11th March 2019 21:09:12
I'm a little confused. I had a 1st Generation (NIB) foal with higher gp/stars than both parents but when I bred her foal (who is a 2nd Generation [NIB]) it's gp/stars were in-between the parents. Is this normal?
kooldogz7
  • Posted messages: 749
  • Karma: 10 points
By Twinjodi, 11th March 2019 23:26:11
1
You wanna post the horse in question? Then we can navigate from her page to offspring and parents default smiley :)

Make sure to use the url from if you were seeing it as a guest to your page
Twinjodi
  • Posted messages: 944
  • Karma: 10 points
By kooldogz7, 12th March 2019 01:54:59


Here's the link to the foal I was talking about.
https://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=59113864
kooldogz7
  • Posted messages: 749
  • Karma: 10 points
By lbenedict15, 12th March 2019 08:41:45
1
@Kooldogz,

If you take the average GP of both parents (Fionn at 3806 GP and Tairen at 4480 GP), the foal in my eyes has decent GP gain. Here's the math, which I used lllllloooooonnnnnnggggg ago and may no longer be the 'right' way to do it.

3806 GP + 4480 GP = 8286

8286 / 2 = 4143 which is the average of both parents GP

4221(foal GP) - 4143 = 78 GP point gain.

Again, old method I used, and I have no idea what a good gain is anymore. I just remember being happy with 5-15 GP gain default smiley xd

Anyone else feel free to step in and provide a much updated version!!!
lbenedict15
  • Posted messages: 3,405
  • Karma: 10 points
By Twinjodi, 13th March 2019 00:51:56
1
So yeah, going off of what lbenedict15 said,

If you had used horses that were closer together in GP, there probably would have been a foal above their GP/stars, but because there is such a gap, that's why she too ended up in the middle.

http://howrseplus.000webhostapp.com/calculators.php This is the link I use to get my range in what GP to expect.

So to break it down even further

Alyeska - 4473 > There is only a 135 GP between these two
Faolon - 4338
Range of GPs to expect at this time with the highest GP in Curlies would be:
Avg GP Gain: 90.60
GP Estimate: 4496.10
GP Range: 4482.51 - 4509.69

Tairen - 4480.67 GP (So not a huge GP increase, but because Dad has a high GP, way higher than mom. But at the lowest end) > There is an almost 700 GP between these two.
Fionn - 3806.67

Avg GP Gain: 93.22
GP Estimate: 4236.59
GP Range: 4222.61 - 4250.57

Filly - 4221.27

So she is at the very lowest end of the GP range you can get which unfortunately happens a lot just look at my French Trotter miss I'm Trotting on Air >.>

Your best bet is to breed horses with similar GPs, like shown above so the average is higher, and therefore, your GPs will be higher too. So if you took two 4480's together, the foal would be
GP Estimate: 4570.52
GP Range: 4557.04 - 4584.00

Hopefully we helped and didn't confuse you more!
Twinjodi
  • Posted messages: 944
  • Karma: 10 points
By Twinjodi, 13th March 2019 00:53:59
Another question... did they re release all new foundations in every breed? Was i missing something or is this new players coming in that is bringing all these new GPs in old horses??
Twinjodi
  • Posted messages: 944
  • Karma: 10 points
Storms Ransome
  • Posted messages: 3,150
  • Karma: 10 points
By Twinjodi, 13th March 2019 15:52:12
It seems almost every old breed, like quarter horses, appaloosas, curlies, etc have new foundations in the 3000-4500 range but I dont remember seeing them as a prize in any promos. So was wondering where they all came from.
Twinjodi
  • Posted messages: 944
  • Karma: 10 points
By Asfridur, 13th March 2019 15:54:51
1

Yes and no.... sorry I’ll behave default smiley (lol)

There is no new re-release of breeds that I know of.

The thing is when a new player joins they get a pair of rolling gain horses, from the breed they pick.

Other players get a RG foal every 34 days if they own a specific divine. (one of the prehistorics)
Another divine also offers a RG foal every x points or so. I’ve forgotten the name of both of those divine. (the last one is some blue colored thing)
Asfridur
  • Posted messages: 9,784
  • Karma: 10 points
By Asfridur, 13th March 2019 15:59:29
1
sorry hit Post too fast.
So the thing is we’ll have a constant flow of RG’s as long as owners of those 2 divine log on, and of course also when new players join.

Forgot something we did a re-release of sorts in the last promo. It was possible to find RG Holstein there.
Who knows maybe we’ll see something similar again
Asfridur
  • Posted messages: 9,784
  • Karma: 10 points
By kooldogz7, 13th March 2019 16:02:17
1
Thank you lbenedict15 & Twinjodi for your help. I appreciated it. It makes better sense now. Those new GP's sure make it hard to progress. I unfortunately only have two that are in the 4000 GP range. Sadly, there are not any new ones that people are selling in that GP range right now. Oh well. C'est la via! That's life. default smiley ^)
kooldogz7
  • Posted messages: 749
  • Karma: 10 points
By TheSeason1, 13th March 2019 16:12:17
1
Hello everyone! I used to breed haffys here a couple of years ago, and I'm slowly getting back into it default smiley ^). Does anyone else breed haflingers here?
TheSeason1
  • Posted messages: 780
  • Karma: 10 points
By Twinjodi, 13th March 2019 18:29:23
2
Thanks. I was wondering if it waaas just the new players or not. Astrifur thank you as I did not know about those divine either. Not that I'm going to try to get more, two are probably enough for me lol. I was just like umm.. where is the influx? Lol
Twinjodi
  • Posted messages: 944
  • Karma: 10 points
By lbenedict15, 14th March 2019 08:13:53
4
Hipparion is one of those Divines. I love him, but was thoroughly disappointed when I got him to get 350 GP foundies and a few months after they changed to RG default smiley (m). There is one Divine that gives you foundation unicorns too. I think it is some of the new Pastry Divines that are giving out certain breeds if you own both and breed them.
lbenedict15
  • Posted messages: 3,405
  • Karma: 10 points
By Cybertron, 5th April 2019 21:58:46
2
Question for those with the pastry divines. If I were to say start a line from one of the pairs, would that be considered inbreeding? (So long as none of the previously bred non-divines show up once) I just finally got my first pair and I'm kinda tempted to make a line from them of semi-foundies.
Cybertron
  • Posted messages: 353
  • Karma: 10 points
By ⊹⊱ℬℓööღεʀʂ⊰⊹, 6th April 2019 00:13:20
Ràn is the other Divine that gives foundation horses. She's one of the newer Divines. It's also much easier to get new foundation horses from her. It takes me about a month. (420 points - 15pts per day)
⊹⊱ℬℓööღεʀʂ⊰⊹
  • Posted messages: 343
  • Karma: 10 points
Go to page: