[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 12th September 2018 14:34:50
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Bought myself a 350 GP Haflinger Foundie. No clue what I’m doing, but I’d like to at least get some second-generation NIBs.
By TerrierFancy, 13th September 2018 00:16:38
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So do NIB breeders actually use the new foundies with higher GP, or do they stick with the old 350 GP foundies?
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By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 13th September 2018 05:55:14
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I haven't bred to 6 gens myself, but 600 range sounds about right.




Some of us use only 350 gp, some only rolling gain gp, and there are a few that use both, but keep them as separate projects.
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By Retired breeder, 15th September 2018 15:37:25
Anyone breeds NIB holsteiners? Please PM default smiley :)
By TheHogan, 16th September 2018 07:39:47
Attempting to blup my originial foundie TB's after they've had a few years rest... wow those 20 wins are hard now! default smiley ^) Anyone concentrating on TB's?
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By Retired breeder, 17th September 2018 16:52:13
Is crossbred NIB breeding a thing? If so does anyone want to do that?
By Misabel, 18th September 2018 03:08:18
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The last 6th gen TB I bred had a GP over 700...and that was last December, so it's bound to be further along now. That will vary by breed, though.
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By Misabel, 18th September 2018 03:18:44


People have done it before! It's your project; You may do whatever you like. default smiley :)

However, there is not a ranking for crossbreds - there are simply too many possible combinations to keep track of, and a general cross ranking would let players leap ahead by tapping into breeds whose GP is further along. That said, the rankings are pretty meaningless at this point (in my opinion, anyway), so don't let that stop you if you want to crossbreed.
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By Retired breeder, 22nd September 2018 02:15:57
hey all. i'm finally organized in my fields so i can get started on my kerry bogs and i just realized im in serious low numbers on foundie females default smiley :-x if anyone has any for sale, PM me. i'd also be interested in purchasing Z. Bolts.
By Raf's Mum, 22nd September 2018 10:12:35
Please remember the forum rules still apply here, and adverts for that are not allowed.
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By Retired breeder, 23rd September 2018 03:12:04
i thought horse wanted things were okay? "Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale, but horses wanted ads are welcome." or did i misunderstand this?
By Retired breeder, 23rd September 2018 03:49:08
or was it cuz i added Z. Bolts to my request? default smiley (o) my bad if that was it
By Retired breeder, 23rd September 2018 20:28:30
I am quitting howrse. If you think you are worthy enough to get my equus, pass, BMI's and horses PM me.
By Retired breeder, 30th September 2018 06:32:28
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Just out of curiosity, how many here use original foundies vs rolling gp foundies?
By Retired breeder, 1st October 2018 19:50:17
By Asfridur, 5th October 2018 14:12:23
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@Misabel I totally agree with you. Rankings do not matter any more. The GP race is crazy.
Guess only the most crazy of us are left NIB'ing now.

@Kuja we're a dying breed all together I'm afraid.
Some of us work with both the old GP and the new RG's. Some prefer to keep them separate, and others mix the old GP and the RG.

Sorry to read your leaving.
Bless you for thinking about us NIB'ers before you decided to stop playing. The old GP horses are getting more and more difficult to find. Especially certain breeds.



Has anyone thought about picking up the French trotters?
I'm kinda tempted, but it's not like I do not have enough to do already default smiley ^)
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By lbenedict15, 6th October 2018 07:25:18
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@Asfridur I am toying with the idea of a SMALL herd. So far, I am up to 8 from cooking, with two cooking. 7 females, 1 male. Not the best male to female ratio default smiley xd I may buy a few just to even it out (or snag a few bolts haha), but was hoping to use horses that I brewed up myself.
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By Asfridur, 6th October 2018 14:51:31
Oh I’ve only err baked 2 lol. But could make more I think.

Not the best of ratio indeed default smiley (lol)
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By suebee104, 13th October 2018 04:17:56
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I'm a NIB breeder mostly 350 BLUP. TB, QH, Arabian, Apps mostly but have a few other breeds also. I offer coverings also. Not all my horses are 100% BLUP.
You can check my page and PM, if I can help.
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By Silver_Heart, 14th October 2018 19:23:48
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Are other people doing French Trotter lines? I've got myself a small handful and I'm thinking of starting my first real NIB project, any tips?
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By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 14th October 2018 23:32:07


lbenedict15 is doing a small herd. I've got a couple females if you'd like them.
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By lbenedict15, 15th October 2018 08:16:46
Yes, my small herd that is disturbingly unbalanced default smiley xd The final tally for the horses I cooked up is 6 males to 15 females. Thanks to some amazing people though, the numbers will even out shortly.

@Phantom413- since they are rolling gain GP, they will be a lot easier. I've only toyed a little with RG, but I pick a competition that I think my horse will do well in, then train the bottom two skills (so, for pleasure, I would train dressage and stamina), then comp and train the final skill at the same time (trot to go with the above example). That seemed to work with my RG Holsties, but then again, that was a long time ago that I did them. Good luck! And this is a great, supportive group, so don't hesitate to ask for help!
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By Retired breeder, 15th October 2018 16:36:40
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I *think* I might start with the french trotters - I managed to get 2 females and 5 males, I guess I should get out a notebook and work out how to do this in the most efficient way right? I love new notebooks!!

I'm sure I tried NIB way back when I had my old account... shetlands I think, but I never had the patience :P hopefully this time around it will be a project I can keep interested in!
By tigrelily, 16th October 2018 08:33:47
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I'm a lazy foundy blupper. I do have several foundation stallions that are fully blupped and I'm offering them to fellow NIBers. Just let me know that the cover is for a NIB horse. default smiley (y)

I'm considering selling off some of my foundation horses. Haven't decided which breeds yet.

Feel free to pm me and talk about my foundys. default smiley :d

I'm also working on the new Frenchies. I have 24. One stallion is blupped and I'm working on a mare. My cousin has about 5 and is willing to work with me, on them.


btw I have a question. I just had a Paint foundy mare foal (bred to a foundy stallion). Her foals have GP in the 460's. Is this a new thing? I looked at other foals and their increases aren't that dramatic. default smiley (8)
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By tigrelily, 16th October 2018 08:37:26
Also, what is OG, RG, and rolling gp? (Been away from the forum for awhile.) default smiley (h)
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