[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Raf's Mum, 15th May 2017 12:07:32
Please remember to read the rules at the top of this forum, about what can be posted, and what can't.
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By Retired breeder, 15th May 2017 12:19:03
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Meep. Sorry. default smiley :-x

In other news, I can't stop collecting foundies default smiley xd I think I have a problem.
By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 15th May 2017 23:31:14
Anyone heard of the "Star of Immortal Power"? I found it on some 350GP Hackney's I picked up.

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By Retired breeder, 15th May 2017 23:55:51
It's the star you get when you have all five legendary horses.

I forget exactly who gets it when you've got all of them, but that's where it came from.
By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 16th May 2017 00:38:25
Oooh, fancy. Thanks for the info, Poindextra.
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By Retired breeder, 16th May 2017 01:19:12
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Reading back, I saw the nib list, I also breed vanner and marwari unis. I think a marwari uni is my current best to beat. I work 60 to 70 hr weeks, been quite busy with roommates moving out, helping them move, friends getting new houses, and my garden so i am still around just quite busy =(
By Asfridur, 16th May 2017 05:36:29
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@Axel'sMommy indeed they are. Way too expensive for me that's for sure.

8000 for a foundie is crazy cheap O_O

I have by some miracle managed to get all wins on a first gen Shagya before he was 10 y old.
Of course I could not do the same for his wanna be mate. 10y old + and 6 wins ... rats.

Checking sales, I just had to grab a Shagya foundie that was treated as a pass horse. He had 56 skills and was 30 years old. No way I could just let him die, so I bought him and gave him a stone I had in my inventory. I have named him Elderscroll ^
I've upped his skills to 121 now. There is no way I will be able to even get a single win of course. But I'm determined to bold all his skills.
Nope I'm not addicted to Shagya not one bit default smiley :p

Now I have to see if I can find him a mate, because I now have an uneven number of Shagya.
There are only 2 up in sales, and they are both cost 4 passes. Really don't know if I'll buy one of them. It's expensive, but at least it beats paying 20 for a uni don default smiley :s

@Comatose - got it. I've modified the list.
60-70 hours per week is insane. How do you cope with working that many hours?
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By Asfridur, 16th May 2017 06:48:41
Please excuse the typos - don't sleep much these days
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By Asfridur, 16th May 2017 13:33:43
OMG thank you HYDEIST - I've now got more Shagya default smiley (7)

Updated list with new info on Comatose and HYDEIST
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NIB LIST SORTED BY PLAYER

abitude
- Drums
- Lippizaner
- Welsh
- Shire

Asfridur
- Canadian
- Drums
- Russian Don (uni)
- Shagya
- Trakhener (uni)

Adivinanza
- Standardbred

Axel'sMommy
- Hanoverian (reg + uni)

boywithhorse
- Brumby

Comatose
- Akhal Teke
- Gypsy Vanner (reg + unis)
- Knabstrub
- Marwari (reg + unis)
- Mustang (reg + unis)
- Nokota
- Shetland (reg + unis)
- Trakhener

eriathwen
- Curly
- Hackney

FancySchmancy
- Hanoverian

freedomreins
- Hanoverians

HYDEIST
- Connemara
- Peruvian Paso (reg + uni)

lbenedict15
- Holstein

Jumperanna
- Quarter Horse

kooldogz7
- Curly
- Gypsy Vanner
- Nokota

lanikot
- Marwari

magictouch85
- Lusitano

MareWithAMission
- Drums

Misabel
- TB

msuequestrian
- Haflinger

naztuki
- Paints

Northener
- Drums
- Standardbreds

Orca98
- Drums

Pearl Onyx
- Shetland

Poindextra
- Shire

Sootybelle
- KWPN
- Trakhener

Storms Ransome
- Appys
- Criollo

Sylevar Falcori
- Arabian
- Connemara

tallynen
- PSH

TheSeason1
- Haflinger

Zel
- Knabstrup
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By Retired breeder, 16th May 2017 14:08:16
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Sleep?

What is this...sleep? default smiley xd

My toddler's currently munching on soup while watching a silly show about a cat who lives in a banana peel.
By Retired breeder, 18th May 2017 03:35:52
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most days I am not quite sure lol. I am sometimes off from both jobs the same day so i get some stuff done.
By Retired breeder, 18th May 2017 04:00:51
How do I find the "black market" of NIBs? I'm looking for some foundation unicorns too. Unfortunately Howrse hasn't developed a search feature for these yet. Is there another thread specifically for buying/selling?
By Axel'sMommy, 18th May 2017 08:10:29
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When I look for original foundies, I search for GP less than 351 GP. Foundation unicorns are incredibly difficult to find. I found one that I need for 10 passes, but I am 8 short lol. There isn't really a black market for them.

I wish there was a buy/sell thread. Unfortunately, they won't give us one.
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By Axel'sMommy, 18th May 2017 08:12:41
Errr, I shouldn't say they are difficult to find. Moreso, that when you do, they are very expensive.
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By Asfridur, 18th May 2017 08:35:44
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Wow must be quite stressful. How do you find time to relax a little?

....someone stop me please. I just bought more drum foundation horses. The NIB project was only supposed to be smaller scale. And now I see I have hoarded 230 rolling gain foundies default smiley xd

So I guess I'm going to go all out on those. Wonder just how many I can afford to grab default smiley ^)
EC production time and selling those items me thinks
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By Retired breeder, 18th May 2017 18:01:25
@Axel'sMommy

I'm grateful to have a pair of foundation Friesian Uni's. I'm trying to sell my Trakehner Foundie for 500e and 1 pass. Is that too high? I haven't had any bites yet. (I'm not trying to advertise. I am just trying to figure out the system.)
By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 18th May 2017 20:33:15

Looking at the sales for 350 and 351 foundies, that seems to be a good price. The others are either 500 and 2> passes or 550,000 equus.



One of us make a buy/sell thread in our forum, right?
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By Retired breeder, 18th May 2017 22:58:04
Does anyone know if the Gaia Foal horses come with Philosopher's Stones now since they changed the foundation system?
By Retired breeder, 18th May 2017 23:03:31
Oh man, let me check on that, my EC has a forum that I might be able to work with for a search thread. default smiley (m)
By Retired breeder, 18th May 2017 23:04:53
Update: Forum rules are universal, by the looks of things. No advertising allowed. default smiley :(
By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 19th May 2017 00:49:58
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Which I find a bit odd, because there are quite a few horse sales forum topics around in player's forums... Seems like this rule isn't enforced very strongly. I'm not trying to pick a fight with Howrse or anything, it just would be nice to understand why we can't have one. Y'all understand, right?
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By Retired breeder, 19th May 2017 03:37:52
Especially since we can't find what we're looking for easily in the sales. I'm really feeling like Howrse doesn't like NIB breeders....default smiley :'(
By Retired breeder, 19th May 2017 04:00:51
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Sooooo I'm new to this forum. (Some of you have received friend requests lol) I lost my account for five years and finally found it again. Whoop! Now I'm back to continue my NIB/Foundation breeding. Am I the only one struggling to get any bites on sales? Maybe I'm just impatient....but I need passes and equus to continue my addiction! default smiley :p I'm dabbling in Irish Hunters, Marwaris, Arabs, PSHs and Friesians (of which I am very lucky to have a male and female foundation uni). I'd love to get involved in some breeding programs and "thicken the herd" *chuckle* Years ago when I was doing this, AdmYrrek was one of my most prominent breeding partners. I'm sad that he isn't doing NIBs anymore default smiley :'( So what's been happening in the last 5 years??? I can't believe Howrse nuked all of our hard work with their "rolling gp" foundations. But still, I can't imagine doing anything else. It's just more work to separate the old NIBs from the new. Or I might just say bugger all and mix. Any opinions on this topic??
By Asfridur, 19th May 2017 05:32:48
Welcome on board dark_angel2788 - or should I say welcome back? default smiley :)
Awesome to see a "new" NIB'er, and thanks for the friend request.
I've added your preferred horses to our list.


I believe they do. And the new players get a pair of twins. I guess you could kinda call them inbred, But since they both have Ouranos and Gaya as parents their not default smiley (lol)

Ummm a player posted some pages back - a new NIB'er. Asking a question if they could be used in a NIB project and not be considered inbred. let me see if I can find it and the horses, then we can see if they have stones.


Afraid your right - we've always been the odd bunch in this game. The change of the rookie comps and introduction on the rolling gain foundies hit us hard.
Many either stopped NIB'ing after than change.

If your looking for old GP foundies their becoming increasingly difficult and expensive to find.
I usually set up the search like so:
GP <352
purebred
passes <1

OMG someone is selling a Shagya gotta buy.... default smiley :odefault smiley (7)
It's a foal 1 y 4m old and no foal games default smiley :'( but I gotta buy it.... and I'kll have uneven numbers again default smiley (lol)

As to the last 5 years - many of my long time friends have left or gone on hiatus due to some of the changes made. Sad but it's a fact. Really miss them.
A lot of changes has happened while you've been MIA. Not even sure I can remember them all. But lets see give me a few
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By Asfridur, 19th May 2017 06:04:34
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All righty here we go.
After finishing the tutorial a new player gets a pair of twins, It's an objective to cover Gaya to Ouranos and your given a wand.... (Sorry - the heavy meds really mess up my ability to think and remember stuff.... scary cra$)

Any ways - they get a pair of twins. Those horses both have stones.
Like the pair darkhorsefarm asked about a few pages back
number 1 and number 2

That fact can help you a little when searching for rolling gain foundation horses.

Check the page of the breed you want. Let's assume your looking for PSH's. You go to the breeds public page



Grab a calculator and start adding the numbers 484.22 + 732.41 etc. That gives you a total of 2958. Meaning the highest born rolling gain PSH has a GP of 2958.

When you go to sales you then set the following filters
stone
purebred
GP <2959
and maybe an age filter if you want foals
<1 year old
<1 pass

Hope this helps - you still have to check every horse though. To make sure it is a foundation before you buy it.

Right on to a making a "little list" of the changes
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