[Info] Cross breeders

By Retired breeder, 3rd April 2010 20:13:43
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Finally a post just for us cross breeders. The purpose of this topic is for cross breeders to have a place to discuss their crossbreeding programs and to share crossbreeding secrets and advice with others who may be interested in giving crossbreeding a try. Feel free to talk about your crossbreeding programs and your achievements and failures in crossbreeding.
Please remember to follow the rules of the forum and be informative and helpful. default smiley :-))

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Reminder to all.

Please do not advertise sales or items wanted in this topic. I can turn a blind eye to the covers being offered (as long as they are not blatant advertisements) because we are, after all, trying to help each other progress and there is no filter on public covers for searching for crosses, but items sales and items wanted do not belong in any of the public forums and we have a sales forum for horse sales so please, lets keep our topic clean of the ads.

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By Retired breeder, 8th December 2017 21:59:29
My purebred GV Mare just gave birth to a pure GV filly. I'm so proud.
The dam, Just a Deam is Genetic potential-10069.24
The Sire, Bemmont is at 10122.86
Powder is at 10096.09. she has 952 stars and I think after being trained she will become even better. I'd like to have some feedback at what u all think of her please. They have the highest GP I have ever seen so I might breed a line of pure GV's with that potential default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 9th December 2017 05:30:19
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If she's pure, we can't really give you advice here. This forum is just for Crossbreds.
By Fivinyn784, 9th December 2017 15:20:22
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Rawr. PSH x Lusitano cross of a beast... Holiday Hop Skills: 13241 >> GP: 10171. Step 1 of my Baroque Blend. default smiley (l)
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By Retired breeder, 9th December 2017 16:37:54
I saw Fivinyn784 rant and I wanted to know if I was breeding good quality pure GVs. I think I might see if I can sell them for a lot but I only have 3 purebreds and Splash, a GV is a crossbred. I'm not sure what to put him in or that I should try and sell him.
By Newt Newt, 9th December 2017 20:28:19
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Keep breeding GVs if that's what you desire and enjoy. You're breeding good GP horses and with the popularity of GV crosses there's money to be made.

However this forum is mainly for us to discuss our crossbreeding endeavors and as such we cannot offer a whole lot of insight on purebred breeding as we might not specialize in that particular breed.
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By Retired breeder, 9th December 2017 20:44:59
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This is what I meant when I replied to @Serena. It wasn't meant as a shut down or anything, it's just not allowed here as this forum is just for crossbreds.

Using GV's, especially right now, is a good project to have though since they currently off the best GP boost.

On another note, finally finished ℛ℮ṧυяя℮¢тїøη. Only took me two days default smiley (lol) Still have one more cross skiller to go then I think I'll jump the bandwagon and try for a Prix runner. That would be three skillers in three weeks default smiley :o I don't know if my checking account can handle that default smiley xd
By Retired breeder, 9th December 2017 20:45:44
Weird double quote default smiley (lol) I should really start previewing my comments before I post them.
By September, 9th December 2017 23:55:30
Hello does anyone know if the top two Tennessee Walker teams are cross-breeding friendly?
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By Newt Newt, 10th December 2017 01:20:04
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@ Gatlin

No worries lol! I knew what you meant, but figured I'd try to clarify it a bit more for them. Nice cross by the way! I've just returned from a five month break, excited to get back into the fray with new crosses. Forgot how fast the gp moves here default smiley (lol)
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By Fivinyn784, 10th December 2017 02:02:27


Impαssε is not cross friendly. I recently tried messaging them about it. Jonas said no. Let me know if you find out anything about Gaited Colour, please? default smiley (l)
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By BRM, 10th December 2017 07:17:50


If you don't mind, I'd love to add these to my Cross Breed list. With you credited, of course.
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By Asfridur, 10th December 2017 11:55:52
@Fivinyn784 looking forward to seeing what you end up with skillwise on the Baroque Blend idea.

I'm dying to breed another version of my now retired Destrier (Fry dom). But they have to wait. Got too much on my plate default smiley ^)
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By Fivinyn784, 10th December 2017 13:01:44
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@MoonRider1691 - No credit needed. I just nerded out researching potential crosses. default smiley 8-) My full list of ideas / interests can be found on my player page.

@Asfridur - I popped out a couple so far. I'd like a Friesian dominant one, but apparently mixed up the sire's breeding, so going to work up another (this time Friesian x Lip). default smiley ;)default smiley (y)

F 9338.9 / 2770.9 - Lipizzan filly

S 9337.2 / 2757.5 - Lusitano colt

Dressage 2214
Gallop 1681
Stamina 1512
Speed 1376
Trot 1336
Jump 1217
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By Retired breeder, 10th December 2017 14:47:24
I'm working on improving the jumping skills of my fjord stock while still keeping the fjord look. What are some good breeds to cross with a fjord so that the resulting offspring have better jumping skills?
By Asfridur, 10th December 2017 16:21:22
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Ah yes the 4 way issue with the dominance turning the wrong breed. Been there done that default smiley (lol)
Good luck to you Fivinyn784. Interesting skills. Do you plan on making them Fry dominant percentage wise so you can backbreed them?
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By Legacy Ann, 10th December 2017 16:31:51
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If you breed the colt and filly you listed you should end up with a Friesian since that's the dam's last listed breed. Might want to breed a tester foal to be sure, but if that works it'd be the quickest fix, and you'd end up with the same genetics.
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By Fivinyn784, 10th December 2017 16:53:55
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@Asfridur, I generally avoid backbreeding, whenever possible. Just my own preference. Was planning on keeping them even percentages, but depending on how they train out and comp, I may adjust.

@Legs, that'd probably work too. I'm asking Lip team what their highest GP release would be and when. If at all reasonable, I'll get a Lip mare, put a Friesian cover on her, and use the resulting colt to breed on to the PSH/Lusi mare. The Lip is the most annoying part of the puzzle b/c lower GP and availability. default smiley (o) If getting a new mare doesn't work out, then I'll probably just breed my two foals together.
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By Retired breeder, 11th December 2017 09:42:25
Well, I'm pretty impressed. Resurrection managed to pull off a 3rd on the Selle Dressage leader boards lol And here all I wanted was a comp horse default smiley (lol)

And alas, my next skiller has to wait till Tuesday. Let's hope I don't forget about him this time default smiley :p
By ~Sam~, 11th December 2017 11:39:12
Hello Everyone default smiley :)

I was just wondering if anyone can give me some information on Cross Breeding? To be honest the only thing I know if the foal will be the breed of the sire, I do not know how skills pass on to the foal ect... But it's something I would potentially like to experiment with. Could anyone give me a bit of a beginners introduction?

Thank You! default smiley (l)
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By Serpentine, 11th December 2017 17:34:39
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If you need current Lipi GP, message me - I’m the leader of the [presently inactive] #2 Lipi teamdefault smiley (y)
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By Serpentine, 11th December 2017 17:39:23
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For basic 2-way crosses, the skills of a foal are simply an average of the parents’ genetics, with some mostly negligible variation - so if you’d like a rough estimate of what your foal’s skills will be, just look at the GP skill set of the parents, add each skill to each other, and divide by 2.

Four ways (and up) are a bit more complicated and involve some ‘rules’ that even I forget and often mess up after years of crossing. If you’re just starting out then I’d recommend beginning with a 2-way and work your way up. As for what breeds, it all depends on what you want to cross for. I breed crosses for a specific skill set because I like making compers, but it varies from person to person based on what goals they have in mind. If you really have no idea, just throw a couple breeds together and see how they turn out.

Crossing can be kind of daunting if you’ve never done it before, but it’s actually quite easy and really enjoyable once you get a feel for how it works. Hope that helps a bit. default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 12th December 2017 07:51:35
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Rule of thumb for an even 4-way cross (25/25/25/25) is that the resulting foal will be the sire's second breed listed on the genetics page, which often times (at least in my experience) has been that horses dam. .

Here's an example:

Soldier's Intent

His sire-

TB/Fjord

Although, it can happen that the sire takes on the grandsires breed, and still lists that breed second on the genetics page.

Example:

Revolution

His sire:

Hano/GV

After that, it is basically up to which ever breed has more percentage in your cross. Someone years ago managed to breed an almost perfect 3 way (33.3/33.3/33.3) but I believe one breed was actually 33.7 or so. I can't remember who it was and how long ago it was. If you want to develop a line that is going to remain a single dominant breed with the GP boost in other skills with the help of other breeds, I would suggest starting out with 3 2-way crosses of 3 different varieties (ie. Fri/Lusi, Fri/GV, Fri/TB), this way you have extra Fri genetics to keep it your dominant breed.
By Retired breeder, 12th December 2017 07:55:58


I would be interested in seeing what this pair throws. Something tells me it may end up Lipizzan lol But I would also breed them a couple of times to see if it changes since the breeds all have an equal percentage.
By Retired breeder, 12th December 2017 15:46:22
does anyone have a half Lusitano stallion that they would let me breed to my GV/Quarter mare?
By Retired breeder, 12th December 2017 20:39:34
I do, splash is a GV dominnt with lustanio
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