[Info] Cross breeders

By Retired breeder, 3rd April 2010 20:13:43
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Finally a post just for us cross breeders. The purpose of this topic is for cross breeders to have a place to discuss their crossbreeding programs and to share crossbreeding secrets and advice with others who may be interested in giving crossbreeding a try. Feel free to talk about your crossbreeding programs and your achievements and failures in crossbreeding.
Please remember to follow the rules of the forum and be informative and helpful. default smiley :-))

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By keepsake, 29th August 2017 21:38:40

Go right aheaddefault smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 30th August 2017 22:53:14
I have never been interested in crossbreeding, but is there an advantage? Is there a strategy to it too? Also, is there a way to craft the top three skills so it's tailored to a competition (like speed, dressage and Jumping for show jumping)? Is it easier to get a higher GP horse with a crossbred, so if you are looking for a good competition, rosette winning horse you are better off to crossbreed? Just wonderingdefault smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 30th August 2017 22:55:08
Also how are top three skills calculated/ determined?
By Retired breeder, 30th August 2017 22:58:53
If I wanted a good rosette winning jumper would I better better of to cross one of my Selles with a KWPN? This is the mare I would cross, I've been focusing on producing quality purebreds at the moment but...

I apologize for spamming I just have a lot of questions that I keep thinking of as I scroll through the discussion
By Retired breeder, 30th August 2017 23:24:55


It just depends on how you think about it. There's definitely a strategy to crossbreeding, and different breeders use different methods. I for one prefer breeding 50/50 crosses, but others might not.
There's definitely a way to do that. For example, my Standardbred crosses are mostly bred for gallop competitions because their top skills are Speed, dressage, and Gallop. I achieved this by crossing a QH and a Standardbred experimentally.

That is an interesting question. As the top teams currently possess the top GP horses, and most, if not all, have GP limits for covers, skillers, etc, we aren't able to access the top horses. However, that doesn't mean we have lower GP. I've seen a few crossbred horses that have GP that would rival some team's top GP, or at least give them a run for their money competition-wise. The thing about crossbreeding is that you have many different options, and by breeding different crosses, your horses have the ability to excell at multiple competition types. In my Standardbred example above, that horse has won a few breed-only dressage comps because of high dressage, gallop, and trot, 2 of which skills aren't highly associated with Standardbreds.
Again, I mostly crossbreed for fun, so this is based mostly on what I've seen
By Retired breeder, 30th August 2017 23:28:01

I've heard that KWPN/Selles did quite well in KWPN-breed-only SJ comps, and also that Paint/Selles or paint/KWPNs also did well in Paint only SJs, but I'm not quite sure on the paint ones.
By Retired breeder, 31st August 2017 01:09:28
What do you mean by GP limits for covers? If your horse isn't "good" enough for a certain covering, they won't see it?

So I don't have any good KWPNs that could access decent competitions anymore, I used to but that was a long time ago. Based on the mare that I showed you earlier, if you looked at her, would her skills be okay for the KWPN only competitions, if you know? I'm sorry to bombard you like this, I am just interested to see what my options are. Also, are there rosette competitions offered to just Paint horses in SJ? I'm not exactly sure where to check for this information. Thanks for all your help so far!
By Legacy Ann, 31st August 2017 02:19:23
Being a cross bred won't affect your GP as it's all based on math. You can roughly calculate the foal's GP by taking the average of the parent's, but there is a random factor in there. So in some cases you can make a cross bred with GP higher than a purebred depending on what you can get your hands on.

Paints won't have show jumping rosette available for that breed only because their jump skills aren't high enough to boost a comp's prestige to rosette level. NOT unless the EC owner changed their show jump rosette comp to Paint only after it reached rosette but they'd risk tanking their prestige if they did so.
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By Retired breeder, 31st August 2017 03:18:55
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@Funny Penguin-
Most teams just refuse to give out covers from horses above a certain GP

You'd get some very good crosses out of that mare, KWPN or otherwise. If you could find a 8500+ GP, 100 BLUP stallion to cross her with, you'd get a nice SJ horse, as both KWPN and Selles are best at SJ.

I'm happy to help! No worries. default smiley ;)

@Legacy Ann-
Thanks for clearing that up. I don't work with paints or rosette horses often.
By Legacy Ann, 31st August 2017 17:52:05

You betdefault smiley :)

Since there is still no word on the breed genetic issue yet, I decided to finish my skill switched Haflinger project. I had to Bolt my original mare to a stallion and blup another foal so the breed genetics listing would give me a Haflinger instead of a Knabstrupper.

After breeding Mr. Owhcin (Knab x Brumby) to Outcapers (Haflinger x Paso) I got my Haflinger foal
Twimbrel
His top 3 skills are speed, trot and jump. Jump barely beat out dressage with a 5 point lead.
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By Retired breeder, 3rd September 2017 14:31:34
My newest little experiment
Interesting cross, for sure.
By Retired breeder, 3rd September 2017 17:55:01
I'm slightly confused.
I bred multiple Shagya/QH crosses.
This is my most recent, born like 30 seconds ago. He has a twin I'm going to bolt.
This is the foal bred on 8/22.
Both are the same cross, from the same dam with different sires. Their skill set is different.
Maybe it's the genetics issue going on? I'm not sure. What do you think?
By Legacy Ann, 3rd September 2017 18:05:24

They both have stamina, dressage, gallop skill sets.

Their individual genetics are different due to the stallion's vast difference in GP. They're about 1000 off from each other so they'll produce different numbers with the same dam.
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By Retired breeder, 3rd September 2017 18:27:32
Thanks. I guess the GP range was throwing me off.
By Retired breeder, 3rd September 2017 20:22:18
hi im new if u didnt know i just wanted to know if theres and god crossbreeds that i could do. Also what is GP?
By Lᴀᴠᴇɴᴅᴇʀ Lɪʟᴀᴄ, 4th September 2017 08:00:55
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By Raf's Mum, 4th September 2017 08:23:45



You could try any breeds you like for crossbreeding - some players look to get more skills by crossing a breed that is stronger in some areas than others default smiley (y)

Genetic Potential is the level of skills a horse will get once it has been trained. There is a whole section about it in the game help pages for you to read.

Welcome to Howrse default smiley :)
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By Lᴀᴠᴇɴᴅᴇʀ Lɪʟᴀᴄ, 4th September 2017 08:36:43
Ah whoops I had read the post wrong, sorry!

What's the best breed to cross a knab with to make an alright sj horse?
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By Raf's Mum, 4th September 2017 08:39:39
^^ Something that would help their speed, as that isn't in their top 3 skills, and is needed for jump comps. Have a look at breeds that have high speed, but don't loose too much on dressage and jump skill.
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By Retired breeder, 4th September 2017 13:23:20
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I'd personally try a KWPN, Selle, Shetland, or I have a Knab/Arabian or a Knab/Appaloosa/Arabian that was decent in SJ. I'll try to get a link.
By Retired breeder, 4th September 2017 16:53:17
I have a few pure Lusitanos that I would like to breed for any western competition(s), but I'm struggling with finding the right breed to cross them with? Any ideas?
Thank you
By Lᴀᴠᴇɴᴅᴇʀ Lɪʟᴀᴄ, 4th September 2017 18:47:24


I might give the selle a try since I wasn't super happy with knab/KWPN, ^^
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By Retired breeder, 4th September 2017 19:00:32
Just waiting on one win to come through for this girl so I can age her up. Wins have taken forever. even with the help of fillers. But, then I can switch my focus to the male half of this cross.
By TMRC, 4th September 2017 20:03:45
Bred this filly minutes ago. She's named after Tex from Red vs Blue, a woman who kicks butt like I've never seen before! And her name is part of a line from Tex's official theme song, which is "On Your Knees".
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