[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 13:57:24
That is where my NIB garuantee comes in. It covers horses with my NIB affixes.
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 14:03:16
I had a feeling it was one that had been culled from your program. I suppose the player selling either hasn't realised about the disappeared horses or it simply didn't cross their mind as something that might mean the horse is not a NIB (although in this case you know the history and he is NIB, not many NIB breeders would be interested in horses with gaps in their lineage).

BLUPing the ponies here again, waiting on wins... I'm finishing bolding one and going through comps with the other, when they're both done I get to breed - definitely my favourite part of NIBing, I love seeing what I get with each foal.
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 14:14:21
Hmmm, thinking of a NIB affix for mustangs any idea's
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 14:24:16
I really want to start breeding NIB mustangs. I am looking for a foal where I can get the max GP gain or an adult with 351.20 GP, but I can't find one anywhere, even though I am willing to pay very high pricesdefault smiley :(
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 14:25:58
Mustangs are actually pretty difficult to find as there was a much more limited amount than the World Tour breeds or Hackneys. From time to time they do come up in the sales, but they're usually quite pricey. I picked one up recently (351.20 adult), I think it was about 25,000e?
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 14:27:20
i'm buying a few and before you do buy them make sure you do check up on the lines heres a example;

Christmas

Willow - foundation
352.77 wild At heart - 2nd gen
Hidalgo 468 - foundation
Dream (retired) - foundation

Major SR

Morphine - Foundation
Abby - Foundation

Palouse

Callisto - Horse disapeared
Mustang - foundation
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 14:27:38
if you can read well done lol default smiley :d
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 14:28:48
Foundies in general seem to have encountered rather an upsurge in price lately. Thank Inner default smiley :) You are right he was a culling by me. Even though I know his lineage I figured it was best to remove him from my affix.
By Forest Queen, 13th December 2009 15:34:32
There are a few I had to cull from my herd as well. I was rather bummed as I had a few that were 356 GP 2nd gens and I had a couple others that had a limited use affix that was from my breeding partnership with Juniortrainer....before her account was deleted. I took a break not long after she left and after Legacy and her left I never had the desire to replace my breeding partners. So still doing free lance default smiley :p

lively I replied about all of my foundies.

As for the upsurge in the price of foundies the prices I am paying now for arabians is roughly the same as I used to but around 1.5yrs ago I could get them for cheaper with more known NIB arabian breeders bidding against me even default smiley (lol)
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By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 15:59:25
I spent ages trying to find a foundie mustang and I only just found out that I have a foundie, fully blupped, 351.20 GP and all BMs in my horses! I must have bought her ages ago but I never noticed!default smiley :o I just bred her and got natural appaloosa twin fillys with GPs of 356.40!!
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 15:59:59
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Bright Eyes NIB
Horse's Breed: barb
Current GP : 354.73
Link to the Horse's Page: http://www.howrse.com/elevage/chevaux/cheval?id=8454354
By Forest Queen, 13th December 2009 16:51:30
my latest buy for 12k

It is a hackney so has no use in my arabian nor connie breeding farms soooo....default smiley ^)
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By nlriver, 13th December 2009 17:13:19
Another question: Is anyone breeding Welshes and Chinco ponies?

I would love to breed NIB Mustangs, but yes, trying to find a foundation is a nightmare. I'm hoping that soon Mustang unis will be coming out so I can try and get a few of them.
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By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 17:26:33
default smiley ;) pmed you back forest queen default smiley :) LOL I am in such a lovely mood today default smiley :) Hubby is finally at work woot! ( love him to death but he has been under my hiney for the last 2 weeks and I can finally breath)
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 17:27:38
Now if only I could talk dressageFossil out of her Connie stally Triton I would be one happy camper default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 17:27:51
i just bought a Chincoteague Pony, i'll post a link in a sec, will someone tell me what he's worth?
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 17:50:11
I'm joining the NIB ranks default smiley :) Had my first friesian filly today with 354.22! So off to a good start default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 18:14:23
I have a brilliant 15yr old NIB mustang in the sales still in first page i did some work before reselling her default smiley :d
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 18:18:37
Whoo, finally got 20 wins on my current foundie stallion - got to get him bolded and then I'm ready to introduce him to one of my mares...
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 18:25:46
Yayy! Congrats default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 18:31:22
I have a 351.2 Mustang that I bought when they first came out. Also I have a Shetland, Morgan, and Barb, though they are all 4 months old, so just the 350 GP. If anyone is interested, they can PM me.

I breed Welsh's, and my current highest is 359.75, bought from a good friend and fellow NIBer, who currently holds the top spot for NIB Welsh. I haven't trained anything on here in forever, that foal was sold to me in March! But once I pair him with my 357 mare it will be well over the 360 marker. I'm just finishing up entering him in competitions and then completing his training.

I need some new blood into my lines though, they are basically all owned by me, if anyone knows someone with even 354+ for stud or willing to lease out as a mare, please ask them to contact me default smiley :) I'll even go for a new OxG mare, since someone requested a covering from my Runshaw Hafog, who is 355 to their OxG mare, and the foal was a 358 at birth.

Thanks!
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2009 19:03:26
I just purchased a connie mare for 500e (because she was so cheap-and I'm fairly sure that she's NIB)
but I don't know about her family tree. I did check it, but one of her ancestors has parents that have disappeared. I checked the horse in question, and the skills weren't too outrageous for a NIB, and it looked like a typical foal out of two foundies. I still don't know if that would be considered NIB though. Anyone want to take a look at her and see? This is her.
By rebekka, 13th December 2009 19:34:28
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Sister Twister 1 of Sacret Pearls
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Chincoteague Pony
Current GP (foals without completed games do not count): 357.10
Link to the Horse's Page: http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=8319041
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By vag111, 13th December 2009 19:38:27
Just letting anyone that is working on Barbs, that I have an untouched foundation for them. It's a cherry bay colt named Renegade. 8 months old, but games aren't started. Let me know if you want him!
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