[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By tayba, 14th December 2009 04:39:03
horse crave - Check my sales, I've got a colt and filly that are NIB and un-related up for grabs.
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By rebekka, 14th December 2009 08:40:42
aml919 says
Breeding a pair several times - I don't breed until the horses have all skills bolded, 100 BLUP and are both over 15 (I will also wait till 20) years old (I have found that the older the parents, the better the gp gain of the foal - anyone else notice that?)


yes cause they have done more lessons and gained more experiance points from comps.
I breed my timer and timerless howrses at age of 24y 10m and can get very good foal still thou parents arent 100 blup. they will most often make just one foal also cause not 100 blup.
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By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 08:54:01
Skills gained in lessons won't affect the quality of the foal - although I still think lessons are important for NIBs, certainly with my newfies they gain in speed which helps with comp wins.

I only breed at 100 BLUP, and have noticed varying quality in the foals, oftn the first is the best (very frustrating to breed a few more times and always get lesser quality foals) but I might do a bit of playing around with breeding a different ages today to see whether age does have an affect of any kind. I normally breed right after getting mine bolded, which usually happens around 12 unless training has been done before I owned the horse as that can make wins much more difficult.
By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 10:55:10
Thank you Forest Queen default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 11:29:48
Some of the Dons I bought were boarded and well... I didn't pull them out since place looked nice.

One thing I forgot - seller was saying "leaving game" and now riding instructor has left EC default smiley :(

Would you continue with 14e lessons or just wait until your stay ends?

Funny thing is that one of those horses is boarded up to February default smiley (lol)
By aml919, 14th December 2009 12:30:50
Shadowbird - If you bought them recently, you should get the option to cancel the board for a few days, so you may still be able to pull them out. Check before you do any actions on the horse.
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By joy22_22, 14th December 2009 12:54:57
around what time do they post the new results? i didnt even know this was here! i just entered my filly for the Friz GP...i've been breeding them for a few months now.....off and on...
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By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 12:56:34
We should see an update either today or tomorrow. default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 13:50:52
I didn't know how long that option to cancel stay would be there...

Had smart idea to stay few days and then find new place but obviously I stayed bit too long...

So basicly options are:

1. accept low lesson price
2. wait until timer is out
3. sell horse and let next one cancel boarding

well...
If lessons don't make big difference to new foal skills I think I just continue without lessons
Good thing that its just 1 who need to wait until February... rest are free at end of Decemberdefault smiley (y)
By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 16:10:41
Did you already work them at all today Shadowvbird? ( and if it is just gaming so long as the place is clean and has carrots I would leave them until the gaming is done). If in fact its a case of the lessons being useable.. you will not be able to cancel the stay until they age again(unles you extended somehow). Anywho though.. once they age the option should be available again ( I have had this happen on horses I have purchased in the past). Just be sure the first thing you do when they age before using the meadow,box or anything that you have to have a stable for.. that you remove them from the place. ( if you want to of course)
By Forest Queen, 14th December 2009 16:33:42
IC the foal of a horse bred at a later point when more lessons have been done with mare/stallion is supposed to (theoretically) have a chance of higher skills than a foal from an earlier breeding unless of course the horse breeding is too old to gain skills from lessons.

You are welcome lively. default smiley :)

I still have a foundation brumby (with several bonuses including GA and lyre), 2 marwaris, a canadian, a Hackney (link posted on last page, TONS of bonuses) and a NIB friesian stallion at 100 BLUP that are staring at me neglected like. Anyone interested in those breeds PM me default smiley :)

Anyone have any foundation arabians? I will look at any that are for sale though I am starting to get picky about what I will and will not buy/bid on but I am always willing to look to make sure it is or isn't what I am looking for default smiley :)

aml919 I have def. noticed foals from older mares with higher GP. I believe at one point I read somewhere that they encouraged older breedings as the foal would be better. But I can't remember where or who said it default smiley *-)
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By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 16:41:38
what does NIB stand for?
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By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 17:01:45
I always thought that lessons skill gain doesn't affect inborn skills in foals, as IBS are calculated from GP, right? Either way, I do lessons with all my NIBs, and I don't suppose it would have a huge effect anyway.

I really haven't noticed foals from older mares/stallions being better - I wonder if perhaps it's a false perception stemming from players breeding once then breeding again from the same horses at a later date when gains from foundation-level breedings are higher? From the breedings I did today (age of mare going from 12 up to 20) the first and fifth out of six were the best, and it did jump back and forth. I did get good results from breeding at 100% in health, energy and morale as someone suggested earlier in this topic, but honestly, I haven't seen anything that I would feel certain enough about to call a pattern.
By bluetempest, 14th December 2009 18:02:32
Alot of people have been asking about mustangs if anyone is interested I have a female with 351.2 and 100 BLUP. http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=5396582 she can breed at any time since I'm not doing anything with her. I have other mustangs but their BLUP is not done. I do have a 351.2 male with 100 BLUP but I will not offer covering from him until I give him a stone.
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By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 18:31:43
Forest Queen , check out will75 . He has some very nice foundie NIB arabians. Granted they were bred prior to this most recent gp boost.
He is rarely on lately so he may be willing to sell them. ( will75 is my hubby so mehh I can talk him into most stuff). I know he has been debating on restarting his game and going with connies like me. Just PM me any you are interested in and I will let him know.
By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 18:32:23
Or you can PM him but lol you may not get an answer for awhile
By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 20:50:09


Need a new avvie there you go on me default smiley :d
By Snazzy22, 14th December 2009 21:58:27
OK... hi, I have never done anything with NIB Breeding but I might we interested. I have a few questions. I ended up buying a foundie stalli and mare. If I bred them would I have a NIB foal?
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By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 22:15:48
Yes, then it would be NIB because oranous and gaia are the beginning of every horse so they don't count when you start looking if you have every horse only once in your horse's pedigree default smiley :)

Also i wanted to say that top arabian GP is wrong. I submited my entry a week before and that horse's GP was over 365 default smiley :)
By Forest Queen, 14th December 2009 22:22:22
gaff I pm'd you back about Ichabod default smiley ;)

I'm still trying to find homes for te round foundies and NIB in my other horse tab default smiley ;)
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By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 22:25:03
B.Ashton#937

Have read your posts and PM with interest and now you have overtaken my NIB Welsh lead you have also thrown down the guantletdefault smiley (lol)

I so have to find some NIB Welsh mares for my boy: he has 360.43GP - anyone out there got a decent +100BLUP NIB Welsh mare to assist me? Or a foal for me to buy/bring on and hopefully reach the +361GP?default smiley *-)default smiley :-))

PM me pleasedefault smiley (y)default smiley (y)default smiley :)
By Storms Ransome, 14th December 2009 22:28:55
Yes Snazzy22 you would have an NIB horse default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 14th December 2009 23:36:25
Is anyone breeding Standardbreds..if you are please pm me..thanks
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