[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By keepsake, 7th November 2017 19:06:15
I fully bold my Foundies, and do a lesson every day, and my EC has 60e lessons. I also have 2 browsers and an ipad, and the use of friends fillers, so I get wins easily lol Thus why I offered to help blup tons. Not sure when I'll next blup, but I get about 24 done a week when I am blupping. But, if I am ever needed to fill, all ya gotta do is ask.
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By Rowen, 7th November 2017 19:37:58
Asfridur he doesn't have active comps right now but the only ones I tend to find are in breed only

The all breeds never seem to have any comps that are empty or just one in them that he can beat with his stats as low as they are. Thinking I will use my AP and get his training done and then that will give me more classes that he would fit in and can win.

Keepsake I have one friend and we co-manage each others accounts so it gives me access to her fillers and mine. Still leaves me one short though for a full comp so I might have to take you up on that in the future.

What has worked so fa was finding comps where the horses had died while waiting for them to run ( I guess you automatically beat a horse in heaven or safe haven) or a horse that is lower level that has entered a class and then using my comp horse and three fillers.
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By Rowen, 7th November 2017 20:25:32
I just entered Nazir in some arabian breed only trot comps if anyone has any fillers they could throw in. He needs 7 more wins
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By Rowen, 7th November 2017 20:39:39
cross
~*Glasswater Horse Trials*~
10.3042
Riding Horse Liver chestnut
(13)1st~ Nazir 61.15
Rowen Wood Trainees
3

cross
~*Glasswater Horse Trials*~
10.3042
riding horse chestnut
9 filler
of most horses bred
3

cross
High Jumpin'
12.9268
Riding Horse Liver chestnut
(13)1st~ Nazir 61.15
Rowen Wood Trainees
3

cross
High Jumpin'
12.9268
riding horse chestnut
9 filler
of most horses bred
3

coursetrot
mice r nice
19.2555
Riding Horse Liver chestnut
(13)1st~ Nazir 61.15
Rowen Wood Trainees
3

coursetrot
mice r nice
19.2555
riding horse chestnut
9 filler
of most horses bred
3

coursetrot
AcresBlue Racing
20.1243
Riding Horse Liver chestnut
(13)1st~ Nazir 61.15
Rowen Wood Trainees
3

coursetrot
AcresBlue Racing
20.1243
riding horse chestnut
9 filler
of most horses bred
3

coursetrot
Trot 'til You Drop
18.8383
Riding Horse Liver chestnut
(13)1st~ Nazir 61.15
Rowen Wood Trainees
3

coursetrot
Trot 'til You Drop
18.8383
riding horse chestnut
9 filler
of most horses bred
3
coursetrot
Advantage Trot
21.6046
Riding Horse Liver chestnut
(13)1st~ Nazir 61.15
Rowen Wood Trainees
3

coursetrot
Advantage Trot
21.6046
riding horse light gray
8 filler
3
coursetrot
full speed
18.5951
Riding Horse Liver chestnut
(13)1st~ Nazir 61.15
Rowen Wood Trainees
3

coursetrot
full speed
18.5951
riding horse light gray
8 filler
3
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By lbenedict15, 7th November 2017 21:07:01
Filled a few of them for you Rowen, good luck!
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By Rowen, 7th November 2017 21:11:38
Thank you up to 17 wins lost one comp to someone who jumped in before I could finish filling it default smiley :(

Slowly but surely getting there
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By lbenedict15, 7th November 2017 21:14:39
Only 3 more! It's a step in the right direction at least!
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By Rowen, 7th November 2017 22:36:18
Yup one at a time slowly but surely I lucked onto finding a bunch of classes that had a dead horse in it who had been sent to heaven but he still holds the place so I could use him has a filler for my comp horse and use my comanaged barn for more fillers default smiley ;) it worked out pretty well wish they were all that easy
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By Rowen, 8th November 2017 01:58:15
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Just need one more and he's done. Woo hoodefault smiley <:o)
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By Rowen, 8th November 2017 13:15:38
Okay bred Nazir and Sprite together very similar
gp 361 for Nazir and 356 for Sprite

This was the foal we got

Scheherazade

One excellence star and 433.63 for GP

Does it seem weird that the GP gain for a first generation foal would produce two excellence stars and higher GP than a second generation?

Here is the one I bred on the 7th

American Made

2 excellence stars and 440.21 in GP

I'm not sure I understand this new system?
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By Asfridur, 8th November 2017 15:15:55
default smiley xd your not the only one Rowen.

The gain you get also depends on just how many other foals are born of your breed.

I haven't bred any horses with the new change yet. But before the change the GP was all over the place. Has been since we got rolling gains.
Heck even horses bred at full BLUP would deliver a foal that had lower GP than one from non 100% stock.
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By Rowen, 8th November 2017 16:39:06
Wow that's just crazy well there are lots of Arabians on the game so maybe that's part of my problem. Not a huge issue because I will still work the foals and it's a gain even though it's a weird one so it gets me a little higher. But after reading the description of the changes I assumed that with two blupped parents that were first gens with decent gains the baby would give a gain higher than two foundie parents with not much for gp gains.

I try to breed my horses once they get to 100 Blup and I usually only breed them once for me. Is there much variance between foals from the same parents?
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By Rowen, 8th November 2017 16:40:00
The other unreal thing was the 2100 cover charge for using my own stud with my own mare that just doesn't seem right.
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By Rowen, 9th November 2017 00:16:59
Does anyone need a rolling gains Akhal Teke?

Found one in the auctions and put a bid on it just in case

Northlight
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By Rowen, 9th November 2017 00:19:47
Oh and it's a Foundation mare Akhal Teke but one of the new ones
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By Retired breeder, 11th November 2017 16:38:58
Anyone work with drums/ need help with them?
By Retired breeder, 11th November 2017 18:08:25
Can anyone help me with my Foundie that is maxed out in its skills and has 0 wins (I bought him like this)?
By Misabel, 11th November 2017 18:22:55


If he's an 'original' (350 GP) foundie, maxed out skills is a good thing! Even the lowest level comps can be accessed by horses with more skills than our old foundies can achieve.

In general - you want to add all the bonuses you can get, then look for rookie comps sorted by difficulty so you get the easiest ones you can. Fillers help. If the comps aren't empty, take the time to check the skills of horses already entered to make sure you're not "in against a buzzsaw", as they say on the racetrack.

Posting a link to the horse might help the folks here offer more specific advice. Good luck!
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By Rowen, 11th November 2017 20:14:32


I agree with what Misabel said above I have noticed since coming back and comping my foundation horses that there are a few things you need to do to be successful

1. Complete all rides and training plus games if you can before comping

2. Add tack and protection and bonuses that you can get from the store to help you with added points towards your skills.

3. Find one or two other people you can compete with who have horses lower than your foundie.

What you do is pick the competitions you want to enter and enter your horse then add fillers (horses whose skills are lower than the one you want to get wins for)

Check the horses on any competitions you enter that are not empty and make sure their skills are lower than the horse you want to win.

If you can post your horse on the chat we can definitely get more specific but this is what I do with all my NIB horses not just my foundies.

Good Luck
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By Retired breeder, 12th November 2017 01:00:50
I am starting NIB Quarter Horses and I was hoping to use him as one of my studs, but he doesn't have the 20 wins to have 100 BLUP. (I do know how to blup them from scratch)
Here is his link

Colonels Smokin Gun
By Retired breeder, 12th November 2017 01:02:08
Ok, he actually isn't maxed out yet (now that I looked again), but I still don't really know how to get the wins with him.
By Misabel, 12th November 2017 02:21:44
Well, he's a rolling gain foundie, so that's good. He's earned some placings with very few bonus points - so if you load him up with bonus items, it may just be enough, as long as you choose comps carefully. He at least needs a tack upgrade.

I work TBs, which have a similar skill set, and I've had good luck in all-breed dressage comps. Train up his gallop, which you'll need anyway, and maybe throw in some trot training if you have the time.
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By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 13th November 2017 23:09:26
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I just finished blupping one of my Hackney's for the first time.

Silivrenniel

Only one, but still, it's progress.
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By Rowen, 13th November 2017 23:45:43
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Nice congratulations default smiley :)
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By lbenedict15, 14th November 2017 10:00:50
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I love the coat, eriathwen! Congrats!

Nice find Magdie. Good luck with him. If you need help filling comps, there is usually someone around to help. default smiley (y)
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