[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 18th December 2009 21:47:48
I have just put out some public covers from a 100BLUP Connie foundie stud, Burnt Umber. He is almost 25 and wont be made immortal so will be a good and rare addition to any connie NIB lines. He can squeeze out a few more over next few days so pm me for reserved covers.
By Retired breeder, 19th December 2009 00:36:14
LOL...I have to laugh Riven..you are bidding on Hanoverian foundations right now..and you stumped the rest of us..lol..we are used to heavy bidding all the way up to 13,000 for most the babies i bought ..and now you bid and it doesnt even hit the 1000 mark...
By Retired breeder, 19th December 2009 14:04:00
Just to let all the NIB Connie breeders know i am having a clearout to streamline my lines so might be worth checking my sales default smiley ;)
By vag111, 19th December 2009 23:27:19
To help everyone out, I'm "re-advertising" my program, called Foundation Finder. The title sort of makes its purpose obvious.default smiley ;) Either way, if you are interested check out my EC forum and let me know what you are looking for in the post.

Still working on Sahara. He has 16 wins, good enough for me. I'm just getting his stamina and other skills bolded before breeding him. If you want a covering let me know!
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By Dr Zig, 20th December 2009 01:16:12
My NIB mustang filly Cowbell has a GP of 357.44. I am *so* fond of her foundation parents Cowboy and Cowgirl default smiley ^)
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By Retired breeder, 20th December 2009 02:18:06
So at least one other person has had a second gen of higher than 357, that gives me hope. =) I did the math today and at 8 generations (the shortest genealogical tree I have found) you need 128 foundations to attain a greenstarred howrse. If, however, you can get a GP gain of 6 each generation, that could be as short as 6 generations, which only requires 32 foundations (a much more attainable number!).
By Retired breeder, 20th December 2009 02:23:56
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By Forest Queen, 20th December 2009 03:20:17
That is quite the smiley abuse default smiley (lol)

32 horses certainly makes it sound so much better haha
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By Retired breeder, 20th December 2009 03:20:41
The foundations are not the part I have probs with BLUPPing it's the future generations that I am lax about blupping. LOL i get bored. I love the foundies .. go figure..
By Forest Queen, 20th December 2009 03:24:22
mmm, I def like the foundies and seeing their foals but I must say I like seeing how high the next generations get in their skills default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 20th December 2009 03:32:49
I think technically it's Sunday, so here's my submission for highest Friesian GP:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: 361.14 M
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Friesian
Current GP (foals without completed games do not count): 361.14
Link to the Horse's Page: http://www.howrse.com/elevage/chevaux/cheval?id=8866235

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By Forest Queen, 20th December 2009 03:48:04
Good job equusryder default smiley (y)

Is that a 3rd or 4th gen (I count the foundations as 1st gens technically)
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By Retired breeder, 20th December 2009 04:03:11
lol i'm just lazy default smiley :)
By aml919, 20th December 2009 04:04:58
Please check out this suggestion in the Ideas forum. It is suggesting that when an account is deleted or an inactive account is deleted, all of the players horses should be put in the auctions starting at 500e, allowing other players to buy them before they "disappear from the game. If we all vote for it, Admin may consider it.

This is the address of the page, but in case it that doesn't get you there, type in the following in the search box :

All horses sold when a person quits.

http://www.feedback.howrse.com/feedbacks/341445-all-horses-sold-when-person-quits

Thanks
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By aml919, 20th December 2009 04:07:15
Jeteska - I bred my first 357+ foal today (from 2 foundies) I was very excited.
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By Retired breeder, 20th December 2009 04:38:41
I was totally surprised when it happened. I'd taken a break from my NIB breeding to do high star/high skill Irish hunters and Arabians for a couple months-- to get my EC under 500. And then I come back and instead of getting 355 at the most, I'm starting to get 356's and then... I got a 357 and was totally blown away. And I just had another one born tonight, too.

Sooo... I have a pair of 357's now, and I can barely wait for the temp to get over 50 again so I can start BLUPing them. default smiley (7)
By foxy3000123, 20th December 2009 08:54:26
How can you get your foundies to win comps? I'm really struggling with my mare, she's only won 8. Thanks. default smiley :)
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By Dr Zig, 20th December 2009 13:58:33
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Cowbell
Horse's Breed: mustang
Current GP: 357.44
Link to the Horse's Page: http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=8741785
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By Retired breeder, 20th December 2009 15:10:47
I just foaled a NIB comp horse foal (1G Welsh/Standie), and he turned out so perfect default smiley :d 356.82 GP and close to 110 IBS default smiley (l). Can hardly wait to skill him.
By Retired breeder, 20th December 2009 16:17:08
My NIB GP Entry

Horses's Name - AT's One Wild Night ஜĮndian ςreekஜ
Horses's Breed - Appaloosa
Current GP - 357.96
Link - http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=8004165
By Retired breeder, 20th December 2009 16:31:02
OK, so you all have officially lured me into the world of NIB breeding! default smiley :-))

I had been working on keeping a NIB line from my foundation horse that I started the game with. I just entered his son as a high NIB GP for Appaloosas above. I've been following this topic since Riven started it and have learned a lot and decided to expand my NIB breeding operation. Spent the last week or so buying a few more foundation babies and am starting games on them now.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of other Appaloosa NIB breeders out there. If you're interested in my horses they are all in their own NIB tab on my page. I have my foundation stallion who is fully blupped and bolded available for covers. His son is blupped and available for covers, however I won't be using him on my stock until he is fully bolded. I also have a mare who is blupped and almost bolded. I would consider breeding her to an outside NIB stallion and selling the foal back to the stallion owner if there is anyone out there who needs some new NIB bloodlines for their program.

Look forward to keeping this topic going for awhile! default smiley :)
By aml919, 20th December 2009 19:09:56
foxy3000123 - It all depends on the breed & skills. I try to race my horses before they are trained (except in Dressage & Speed). That allows you to put the foundie in lower skill races & comps. If your horse is already trained, pick the comp that you can get the lowest races in & try for the extra wins in those. Some players use filler horses with lower skills (but not too low, because then they can't get in the same races) and try to pad the race a little. Your other option is to carefully select races based on the horses already in them & only enter races with horses that have less skills. That can be very time consuming though.

If you post the horses name, type of race & skills some other NIBers may be willing to help fill the race for you. But that is hit or miss depending on who is on & reading this forum

Good Luck
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By Retired breeder, 20th December 2009 22:12:56
I got a filly marwari that I'm selling. I don't breed NIB marwari's so I don't need her. I checked and she is indeed NIB.

Her name is Kari if you want to check her out. PM me if you want her.
By Retired breeder, 20th December 2009 22:14:36
Her gp is 355.36, she is in the middle of games.
By Retired breeder, 20th December 2009 22:18:42
I'm putting her in auctions starting at 500e, we will see how much she goes for.
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