[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 16:50:13
Hey I have a foundation paint mare with GP of 350.18 (only .02 from the most a foundie can havedefault smiley :'() I bought her as a foal in hopes of making her the highest skilled foundie on the game but messed up her games and so....only .02 from what I need. Anyone want this beauty?
I bought in auctions for 11,002e and spent e for boarding, aging points, etc.
PM me if you want. she'd going into auctions. if you cover the 15% of removing her at the time + your offer you can have


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By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 16:57:57
Rowen: I really hope you're kidding about the foundation price...
By Rowen, 16th January 2010 17:41:52
Wild North ~ my pay day was yesterday and that's exactly what I did. I am also buying up geldings that I see in the sales or horses that are older and aging them for passes as well to save my bank account some.

I have had to give up on some of my older foundies who refused to get any wins due to having too much training. I am more picky in the sales now and that seems to be helping a lot.
Rowen
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By Rowen, 16th January 2010 17:47:52
Sandstar ~

I wish I was kidding about foundation prices but the foundation Arabians seem to be getting more and more expensive. There is a gaia foal in the auctions right now for 500 and 5 passes. if the going rate for passes is 10 - 15k that makes it 75k for price in equus.

There was one in the auctions listed for 50k and the owner posted that he would pull it if it got less than 80k

Then again I only buy Arabians so other breeds might sell for much less. I have seen barb foundations go for 500 eq in the sales.
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By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 18:36:59
hmm... what about fully blupped and bolded canadians with PS, MA and a load of other items I can't remember?
By Misabel, 16th January 2010 18:50:33
I learned pretty quick about being more selective in the auctions! Now I won't touch anything over four, unless it's got wins under its belt.

It appears I'm lucky, though - foundie & 1st-gen Thoroughbreds aren't that hard to come by, and the prices have been pretty reasonable.
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By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 19:15:04
I can't believe it default smiley :o

1st of my dons actually managed to get her wins default smiley :-))

I have noticed that one main problem with dons is that those comps just don't run, there are still few comps pending and I joined those weeks agodefault smiley :'(

Its not bad if you cant win, lot worse is that you need to wait weeks to see that again someone with greenstars is beating you default smiley :@

well... atleast I have Baby Girl almost ready, just need to get Checkoff his last 5 wins now default smiley (lol)

those 2 were good buy, games done, ready to start training and 3 BM items - all for 500e in auctions default smiley (7)
By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 19:54:01
Rivenwood

My NIB Welsh stallion ByRoyalAppointment has the current highest NIB GP (his son, By Royal Command will overtake him when I post tomorrow). I am concerned, however, that both now have a "horse disappeared" in their ancestrydefault smiley :( I am 100% positive that that particular howrse was a Foundation but now cannot prove so. Does this make my two boys unworthy NIBs as I cannot prove their provenance? So wish I'd taken a screen shot a long time ago ...default smiley :$default smiley :'(

trottietrue
By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 19:59:09
Saying that: I have found this description of the missing howrses affix:

"The affix « of Abingdon »
The horses listed with this affix have been bred from Xenvoirs welshes, all horses have been trainined by a moderation of craxors elite mathod to 100 blup and full potential before being bred. All horses come and originate from Xenvoirs foundation welshes and specifically selected studs ensuring you a top notch horse with no inbreeding and all you want in a horse. One way to sum it up as i always say "A guarentee for a quality horse where bloodlines speak just as loud as skills"."

Does this prove that all my Welsh ponies descending from this lline are also true and pure NIBs?

I hope so default smiley *-)default smiley :)

trottietrue
By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 20:16:50
Would have had the #1 QH... 360.96. Too bad somebody had to delete their account way back in the family tree somewhere. Woww that makes me mad.
By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 20:24:38
I guess that makes Sara a NIB. She was born from Ouranos and Gaia.

(Yes, she has had many children, but that doesn't make them NIBs lol)
By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 20:33:25
Has anyone figured out how many generations it takes to get to a green star? I have over 50 foundation Quarter Ponies now and wondered if that is enough.

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By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 21:17:29
50 won't be enough, Machias. That's only about 5 generations of NIBs.

50 horses bred together = 25 foals. 25 horses bred together = 12 foals. 12 horses bred together = 6 foals. 6 horses bred together = 3 foals. And of those three, you'll get one foal.

If you're careful, you'll get to 370-ish GP default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 22:27:55
Rowen: You are nuts. 75 pairs! Gah! ..and marking them all by hand!

I have been actually checking in the comps for races where other NiBs are entered. I have renamed any that do not have my affix with that so hopefully there will be other NiB breeders that will jump on those comps. I love to see a NiB vs NiB race.

I am trying to decide on my pairings now, but most of them are really far off breeding time.

Ah well..time to get back to work on them!

Then housework and check on dinner. (chili in the crock pot...mmmm)
By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 22:32:58
ChelseyS

We have the same problem, I thinkdefault smiley :(default smiley :'(
By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 22:34:48
Hey,
quick question - with all this chat of different generations of NIB horses, is it taboo to breed a foundation with a first generation, or a second generation, or vice versa?
Just wondered!
By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 22:36:58
I'm proud of myself. I was able to come up with a system for keeping track of which horses need to do what in the BLUPping process and they'll be sorted by name.

I may tweak it once I have a few generations going, I don't know. Right now I'm just trying to get them all worked and get their above 350 numbers worked around their names. I'm thinking I may just add the +350 number to my cataloging system, but I digress...

So, thanks everyone for letting me rejoice here!default smiley :d
By Forest Queen, 16th January 2010 22:44:47
Woot! Won a couple of auctions while I was at work. That doesn't happen often default smiley :p

75 pairs huh. *stares at my 150 foundations* I think I'm about there too default smiley ;)
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By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 23:05:01
I need a lady welshie pony that's foundation. I haven't been able to find any lately.

I got me a foundation morgan though... I just got bored because I have no aging points and my UFO's are all turnips. That helps for training...but I need aging points!

I'm thinking my Adrian just wont have any wins period. He's been getting all second places. Ah well, he still has nice foals.
By Forest Queen, 16th January 2010 23:12:23
SoulReaper, I am willing to train him for you once you can access PS default smiley (y)
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By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 23:19:10
I have the same problem as trottieture. I have two appaloosa foals, as well as 9 other high 358 appaloosas that are unable to be proven. I know for a fact that their mom was from 2 foundation horses, plus she was bred by Loti, the biggest NIB appaloosa breeder. Now I'm not sure what to do. All of my latest breeding is worthless if they aren't certified.
By Forest Queen, 16th January 2010 23:24:50
Unfortunately you just have to grin an bare it default smiley :$

I have lost well over 40 horses to the disappeared lines including my top 3rd gen and several minor GP'd 3rd gens (2nd gen to some of you guys).

I believe I saw the question somewhere of what BM items do I use on my horses. ALL of them default smiley (lol). I am picky about whom gets what but all the items will be placed on all my foundations at some point. Just look at Tikki Tech 1.2 if you want to see default smiley (lol)
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By Retired breeder, 16th January 2010 23:31:24
Forest Queen you're crazy, I guess you have a huge bunch of items default smiley (lol)

What do you people do to earn money? I've found that doing NIBs consumes a lot of money (and I usually don't get them back), so I had to take up on IB Hanos again to keep my equus going default smiley (lol)
By Forest Queen, 16th January 2010 23:33:46
I took up collecting and selling GA coated horses, I collect non-retired coats and resell almost all retired coats. I also breed ozcowrns (aussie unis). Keeps me chugging. Just today I bought a rare retired coat for 500e and 7 passes and resold for 90k and 4 passes default smiley (lol)
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By Retired breeder, 17th January 2010 00:47:32
Okay, I have a 1st generation with 91.52 stamina. Her son was only 92 so I'll need to rebreed her. If I'm lucky and get a 1.5 gain with each generation, I'll need 128 foundations. Is that correct? If I'm unlucky and only get a 1 point gain, I'll need around 1024 foundations. So, paying attention to the specific skills gain is important. I thank whoever it was that brought that up, I was looking at overall gp thinking they all increase uniformally.

Looks like I need more ponies LOL.

M
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