[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Forest Queen, 18th January 2010 02:59:24
default smiley xd Just bought a mare with CT and 5th on her (I am a sucker for the earth and fire elements) for 500e and 2 passes. 350.8 GP and just under 6yrs......Then I bolted her.....sooooo now I have a stud that I technically bought for 3 passes default smiley *-)
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By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 03:05:08
I just started breeding NIB 11star arabians! I'm so proud!
I am attempting to get it higher with my net lot of coverings. Fingers crossed! default smiley :)
By Forest Queen, 18th January 2010 03:06:40
There are no starred horses yet soooo default smiley :-x
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By Forest Queen, 18th January 2010 03:15:26
no starred NIB* horses yet. All horses (and I mean ALL) with greenstars are inbred
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By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 04:09:47
cheekyfilly, its easy to get confused... Your horse may only have the same horse once in its immediate pedigree but if you look up your horses great grandparents and great geart grandparents you will most likely find that a certain horse does show up more than once. default smiley *-)
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 04:10:48
Thanks for answering my question on BLUPing Forest Queen default smiley :d
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By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 04:20:45
This might sound like a silly question, but why do they not list the horses name in the list of current highest GP NIBs, It would be nice to visit those horses. default smiley :(
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 04:26:28
Aaahh. I see now. Thanks tritty. I'm trying so hard not to inbreed. Simply cos I don't like it and I KNOW that it would not be possible in real life to breed so closely. One day....... default smiley ;)
By Forest Queen, 18th January 2010 04:33:35
tritty I believe that Rivenwood is trying to make this as uncompetitive as possible so that it can be set at a leisurely pace instead of crazy like the monsters default smiley xd. I could be completely wrong though default smiley *-)
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By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 05:56:24
Does anyone here breed non-inbred Marwari's? If so I have a colt foundie (untouched) I'd like to go to a NIB breeder, sorry if this ought to be somewhere else.
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 11:26:08
I guess so, but listing the GPs themselves still invites for a competitive nature as it sets a benchmark for others to try and reach or beat. What ever the reason it would still be nice to see the horses and congratulate the trainers/breeders. I guess from now on I will just keep an eye on the sunday posts and then I will get to see the horses. default smiley ;)
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 11:52:15
tritty Thats what I have done so I can see the horse, its interesting to see how others with the same breed are doing.
I also agree with you that it is competitive, because we all want the bragging rights of the first NIB greenstar.
We just need to stay friendly and enjoy the game.
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 12:20:50
I definitely think there can be a competitive edge to NIB (although I will note that NIB seems to be very friendly and welcoming to any and all newcomes; so many posts here congratulating other breeders on their accomplishments which is fantastic to see) - I breed NIB because I enjoy it and it is challenging without the impossibilities of the GP race (I could never commit the time and passes to make it worthwhile)...but I am still longing for the day when the GP of one of my NIBs is listed up there as the highest for the breed.

I don't think listing the name of the top horse would make it any more competitive, really.
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 12:21:19
I'd like to think we can rise above the dog-eat-dog of the greenies....default smiley :p *smiles smugly*.....but yes, I do enjoy ogling the achievements of NIB breeders -- because I am increasingly aware of what a looooooooong and arduous process it is! default smiley (lol)

FQ - nice score at the auction there.....default smiley (y) Your dedication to the auction process is inspiring....default smiley :p
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 12:32:04
Yeah, I like looking at players' new foals etc, too. And something I've noticed about NIB is that players are often very willing to help each other/new NIBers, which is great.
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 12:58:44
Absolutely!! The entire NIB community is very welcoming and always so supportive and generous with advice/information etc.....it's nice to see.....very nice. Maybe because it's not such a *quick fix* sort of achievement.....so the frenetic competition factor isn't there. It's a long-time investment and a cast of thousands....default smiley ;)

I've resigned myself to being a *hobbyist* NIB-er.....the idea of all those pairings makes my head spin....default smiley *-) Oh, and the salvage required on foundies......*stabs self in eye* default smiley (lol)
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 13:33:26
*quietly weeps*.....my itty bitty li'l NIB just came in 2nd....

......to some BM'ed-to-the-eyeballs monster horse with 706 showjumping wins......*sigh*....obviously not a high-skilled comp,either.....now I see why people put that 'blupping' notation in their names....default smiley :(

*hardens resolve*

It would be interesting to have a NIBs-only race....someone mentioned it earlier, I believe....

There is no honour among thieves....default smiley :@
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 13:52:47
It's absolutely great to see so many new NIBer's. Although lol I have to say foundie prices have gone up considerably. I like the numbers of folks NIbing though so i am not complaining. Good luck everyone with your NIBing. It's a challenge but a fun one. I cannot wait until I am able to get back in game on a more regular basis and get my breeding back in gear. Think I may need to sell off a few horses soon though. LOL I am sooo broke lately.
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 14:38:22
I am pretty new and I must say everyone here has been wonderfully supportive and helpful (THANKS!!!) Even though im sure we all want to be the first to achieve the ever longed for green star it seems to come second place to just enjoying the game and company of other like minded people. Its funny how when I read the Howrse help dictionary thing is says that green stars are extreemly rare and reflect careful training and breeding. lol Green stars are everywhere!! but the pedigrees are not to my liking.

I must say the competitions are rather annoying to try and win with a NIB. I go through the painstaking process of looking at each horse entered in a class before I enter it to make sure Im not going up against a rediculously skilled horse. I guess the advantage of only a handful of horses is I have the time to do that. Keep your spirits up Wild North, You will get your win eventually.
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 14:49:26
I definitely think NIB is quite a relaxing way to play - I haven't felt any pressure to BLUP and breed so I do it whenever I have the time. I'm not going super-fast with my NIBs, but at the same time I like having a project to work on where I can see the progress.

Wild North, that's frustrating - do you enter your NIBs with a filler to accompany them? If not, it's something that could be worth doing, especially if you haven't got skill boost items on your horses. I usually enter mine with a filler as it seems to get races running a bit quicker as well as giving them a better chance of winning. If I have a foundation that I'm training from a foal I usually get wins okay as I seem to be competing against mostly foundation-GP level horses, but a few GP points up with my 1st gens I'm seeing horses with a GP much greater than mine - they are normally BLUPing too so of course they have a right to be there, but does male life difficult at times!

Just got my last three wins with a 1st Gen, though. When he's BLUPed I get to breed! default smiley :d
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 15:04:37
Congrats Inner Chorus. Heh I am working up several horses at the moment as well as tossin up covers to help fix my equus deficit. Soo aggravated with this laptop, it's on it's last legs at the moment. Soo orking up the horses I plan to age out and tossing a few covers up before the end.
Foundies are much easier to BLUP for me than the future generations.
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 15:48:37
Thanks - he (or she...she has yet to become a he) is now at 100 BLUP and fully bolded at 10 years and 8 months. I'm pleased! Just need a ZLB now.

I think I'll be trying to use Nyx Packs in combination with Atalante Packs on all my later generations where possible. It might prove too expensive, but I like the double stroke and extra time in the day, especially when seeking wins with a Tub of Grease on as it gives the best opportunity to exploit it fully.
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 16:51:32
tritty - default smiley (lol) - that's so funny about the handbook-thingy....I think it's definitely the other way around now...the foundies and NIBs are the rarity!

Inner Chorus - thanks for the commiserations...yes, it's terribly frustrating, the particular beast must have entered after the fact, otherwise I would have avoided it. Thanks also for the tip on fillers. I've heard of people using them and even seen them named as such in the comps but never really gave it much thought....do you have a specific horse you use as a filler (sort of a designated position) or do you use another one of your *active* horses? Mucho congrats on your BLUP!! that's brilliant..and by 10 years 8 months! FAB!

It's funny....I was checking results again when we got home from our dog walk -- one of my late-buy foundies was in and had a 2nd...so I always check the first place finisher to see who/what/how etc. and was delighted to see another foundie!! A completely different feeling altogether and it made me want to rush over and high-five the person!! default smiley (lol) Which is, I think, the nicest thing about the NIB community....a good-natured sense of competition.

I agree about the BM items. I love that combo with my greenies -- it does give lovely extras and it would give a much-needed boost. Still, it is prohibitively expensive....but like you say, with the next-gens, they're hooking some tougher opponents....*looks around for things to pawn*....default smiley ;)
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2010 16:56:59
PS.. Goodness, I'm chatty today...

Rowen! - My daughter has a foundie Arab mare (yeah, I already asked if she would like to sell her -- no shot....my daughter is 7 and very attached to her pretty pegasus!!) and has decided she'd like her to have a foal. So of course, me being me, says the horse needs to get her wins and training done (easier than trying to explain BLUP) default smiley :-))....due to some (ahem!) 7year old training methods, she's pretty much stalling on her wins so I suggested some trot races.....and guess who we saw all over the trots?!?! default smiley (lol) Best of luck with your crew!!
My dd only plays sporadically so goodness knows if she'll ever get there.....default smiley :-)) Bella Sara and Horseland are infinitely more interesting to a 7 year old, apparently.....it's all about the glitter, I think....default smiley ;)
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