[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 19:15:18
If anyone needs help with Connie blupping i have loads of fillers and would be happy to help. Just pm me default smiley ;)
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 20:27:12
Dr Zig - I figured you'd know something about Thoroughbred pedigrees, and I was sure if you did it would amount to much more than me! Years and years ago in high school I stumbled upon an article about the genetic weaknesses and faults that were becoming rampant in thoroughbreds due to inbreeding; it's part of what got me to research and truly understand inbreeding and the value of genetic variance and culling.

As for filling; the way I see it, it is valuable to the game. It gives horses that might otherwise be havened a job, it helps races run more frequently which increases the race's prestige, and generally a filler can be easily beaten so it poses no threat to other horses trying to earn their wins as well. Giving each other a hand is fine; just please don't use the concept of a filler as a way to intentionally block another player or horse from being able to make their wins. That's stomping default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 20:43:04
I think i may be right in saying, stomping is a high GP concept. From my experience we NIBers work together, not against each other default smiley :d default smiley (lol)
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 20:47:28
NIB has always seemed very friendly and accessible to me. default smiley :)

Still trying to get wins on my first gen. newfie...one more to go and she's entered in a lot of comps that are waiting to run, so I know it's likely she'll pick that final win up but I don't want to go ahead and get her bolded until I know for sure, default smiley (lol).
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 20:53:24
I have just stuck a filler in a load of SJ for you. Waiting to win another filler in auction, so will add more when the auction endsdefault smiley ;)
By Dr Zig, 3rd December 2009 20:58:58
Rivenwood, Thoroughbred pedigrees have been an obsession of mine since the 80s default smiley :) I want my next book to be on how to read pedigrees, the traditional approach used by we analysts rather than biology-based. There is a lot more to it than newcomers to the area seem to think (students inevitably ask what the quick, easy way to learn it is) as it also requires a thorough knowledge of racing: international races, distances, standards and more. I would love to study more on the biology side though; maybe I'll take a degree in it some day default smiley :) A friend and colleague of mine (a famous traditional pedigree analyst) is co-authoring a book with a famous genetics professor so that should be a really interesting read when it comes out. Both are based in the east of England.

Thanks for putting up this NIB topic. I'd always wondered how that worked and I'm now thinking of giving it a go myself as it sounds like fun and a challenge default smiley :) Would it be possible to compile some sort of directory of NIB stallions in the different breeds?
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By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 21:00:47
Thanks again for filling! Some of the races are very close to running now. default smiley :d
By Dr Zig, 3rd December 2009 21:00:55
I wonder if there's an algorithm that could be written that would identity NIB horses so that rankings tables could be created for them default smiley *-)
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By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 21:04:19
Interesting thought - I've never been sure that I'd want an official NIB rankings list as I quite like the way it occupies a little niche and moves slower than the GP race (I think if NIB were officially recognised it would quickly change and become dominated by breeders who can pay passes and BLUP more than one horse a day - just personal opinion as I like my game the way it is now, where I'm enjoying NIB and feeling no pressure to compete).

Finally got those wins! I'm happy now. default smiley :d
By Dr Zig, 3rd December 2009 21:06:36
Good point Inner Chorus - I hadn't thought of that default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 21:10:08
Yep, i agree. NIB rankings would be a terrible idea as the ranking hogs would just home in and...hog! I have been quietly enjoying my NIB's for nearly 2 years and like the friendly solidarity of NIB breeding. I am enjoying this thread though to chat and share ideas with fellow NIBers default smiley :d
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 21:12:38
Unfortunately now with the "Horse disappeared" component of the game, it'd be near impossible to accurately maintain a database or ranking for NIB horses. However, my site has a link to a messageboard I started particularly for NIB breeders (there is also a section for zero GP folks, as they are in the same boat as NIB breeders in terms of being able to find one another and track progress). It's mainly there to advertise your horses for sale and stallions standing. I have yet to add the new breeds from the summer world tour, but it is on the agenda.

If you want the link, I believe kaliko99 has it default smiley ;)
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 21:15:43
Dr Zig, you bowl me over with your expertise! You talk about getting a biology degree like it's going to the store to buy cereal!

Let me know when your colleagues' book comes out as I would be very, very interested in reading it default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 21:46:59
I wonder if it would help if we named our competitions a certain name (like what *CaC* (or whatever it is) does.

That way NIB would know what those races are for and enter our NIB's in those in better chances of wining....not sure if that would work or not.
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 21:48:59
Sorry if my posts are old, they have to be validated before they are posted which seems to take about a day.
By Dr Zig, 3rd December 2009 21:50:27
default smiley (lol) Rivenwood - some of my family and friends think I'm daft doing so many college / professional courses. I'm about three-quarters through No.6 now and have a few options in mind for No.7. Yet I hate doing assignments - I have to submit one by midnight tomorrow and another one next week default smiley xd I just love learning about a wide variety of stuff. Their book is due out on 1st September 2010, according to Amazon, and can be pre-ordered. It's called The Theory and Science of Thoroughbred Genetics.
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By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 21:56:55
Six degrees? Holy smokes! I could hardly make it through one default smiley (lol)

I love learning, I just don't seem to have the time or dedication (or financial ability) to go through that much schooling. So I buy books and read papers and try to keep up online as much as possible.

Thank you for the tip on the book! I will go look it up! default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 21:59:26
Alassíeℓ i really like your idea default smiley (y)
We should pick a prefix for our comps and set some up specially for NIB's and then each help one anothers comps to run. Would help improve comps and help make low level comps run quicker default smiley (y)
By Dr Zig, 3rd December 2009 21:59:42
Only 3 of them are degrees (including the current one), 2 are professional certificates and 1 is a postgraduate diploma default smiley :) I've pre-ordered my copy of their book. I'll have to make a trip to Newmarket when it arrives so I can get them to autograph it for me default smiley :d
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By Dr Zig, 3rd December 2009 22:03:51
Alassíeℓ that's a cool idea default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 22:10:26
WOOT! Yayy! I bred a foal today who after games should have a 356.92 GP. He will hopefully be amazing!
Also the other 2 I bred from that mare are going up for sale. Both have decent GP's just not as good as the lil colt I bred today. default smiley :)'

I will be keeping the filly bred from the same parents until she is 6 months old. Her gp will be 356.23 after proper games.
Another stally by the same mare is already up in the sales with a 356.02 gp he has a different sire though.

LOL sorry i am just soo excited. It is the closest i have com eyet to a 357 first generation default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 22:10:46
I've been working with my foundation and NIB Barbs. I started this NIB thing fairly recently. Part of me wonders if I'll have the patience to keep at it, yet there is some sense of satisfaction in producing a foal that is both completely from my own stock, and completely non-inbred. For now, I will keep at it. Regardless, the breed is attracting me more than I thought at first. default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 22:11:53
That' s great livelyblueyes!! Congrats!
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 22:13:40
Hehe I have tried to give up NIB connies default smiley :) I always come back to them. I sincerely love the challenge involved. As you said there is just a satisfaction that cannot be explained from it.
However, I do wish I could get a pretty good price off of my foals lmao.
HINT- want to by a bigger NIB community default smiley :)
By Dr Zig, 3rd December 2009 22:14:06
I bred my foundation mustangs Cowboy and Cowgirl earlier and got a lovely filly who will be 357+ after the games. I'm astonished to get such a big jump in GP from breeding two foundations default smiley :) Once I get her blupped I'll try to find an NIB mustang stallion for her.
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