[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Twinjodi, 29th March 2020 18:22:25
Alright NIBBers, I bought my first Unicorn pair! o.0 Of course they're frenchies! haha.

SO I have NEVER bred Unicorns before so before they are of breeding age, I would LOVE any advice, etc on them. I believe there is a certain time to do it and certain percentage of getting a uni? Please help. default smiley :d
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By Retired breeder, 29th March 2020 19:32:09

I do happen to know a bit about uni breeding.
No, there is not a specific time of day to do it, but you get two (1-minute long) covering sessions in a day. You begin the session once you cover a mare, so it's best to have all of the covers you need to do already lined up before you begin.
There is a 1/5 chance of producing a uni with a normal covering. With the specific VIP perk, it becomes a 1/4 chance, or using a Hestia's Gift increases the chance to 100%.
My advice? Breed the mare as early and often as possible, unless you happen to have a bunch of Hestias sitting around.
By Retired breeder, 29th March 2020 19:33:29
Oh and almost forgot- there's a 10 hour wait between covering a uni mare and covering her (or a potential filly) again.
By Twinjodi, 29th March 2020 20:56:50
Thanks for the advice!
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By Twinjodi, 3rd April 2020 17:43:01
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https://www.howrse.com/centre/forum/?id=407892

I've decided to turn my EC center into a centralized NIB forum, so please feel free to visit.

I have begun another ACTIVE NIB breeder list so please feel free to pm me your information so I can add you in!

This will hopefully help everyone know who they can help out!
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By ‘quest, 5th April 2020 09:48:04
So the old GP was always 350 for a foundation.

The new GP seems to vary, is this correct?

Which make finding them more difficult �
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By Nyghtraven, 5th April 2020 12:06:46
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Yeah, OG is 350, some I think were also 351-352

RG is I believe roughly based on a percentage of the best GP for a certain breed. (please correct me if I'm wrong on that, still learning ^_^ )

so like my starter horses were Friesians, with GP's around 5330, so when I'm hunting foundie Friesians, I'll filter to check for 350's first, then skim down the GP list to ones around 4000-5500 and start checking pedigrees.
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By ‘quest, 5th April 2020 16:47:58
Do most people still ise 350 ones?

What happens if you breed a 350 with a new GP? Does the GP go down?
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By Twinjodi, 5th April 2020 17:40:15
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It really depends on the breeder, I would say it is about 50/50.

We are trying to keep 350s and the new RG apart just for rankings sake, but yes, it would be about 2500-3000ish if you take an original and the highest (5000+) and breed them together.
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By Nyghtraven, 5th April 2020 22:25:22
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I know for my projects I do intend to use the 350's I find. But where possible will be pairing them together, rather than pairing with RG horses.

Of course, if I can't find an OG to pair with another OG, I'll make an exception lol
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By Storms Ransome, 7th April 2020 03:39:33
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It would be so hard to be an NIBer, who's starting, now. I encourage and wish everyone luck who is just beginning because you're coming into this thing where a version of the game is barely alive anymore. I sincerely mean it when I say I wish you all the best of luck. If anyone needs help or advice or just an NIB friend, let me know.

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By Nyghtraven, 7th April 2020 09:42:34
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^_^ well, I always do enjoy a good challenge.

And I find this a lot more fun so we'll see how well I can do with it once I get my foundation stock settled.
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By ‘quest, 7th April 2020 22:21:55


Why do you say this?
Are there not many people that NIB anymore?
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By Twinjodi, 8th April 2020 00:25:54
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@'quest

There was a big competition change I want to say 3 years ago that made BLUPPing original foundies super hard so a lot of NIBBers who were active at that point quit.

I don't think NIBBing became more popular until the newer foundations came into play that were easier to BLUP came into play.

There are not many active NIBBers anymore is what Storms' saying.
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By Axel'sMommy, 8th April 2020 02:25:29
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Yeah, plus the cost of NIBing is high. OG foundations are extremely expensive (although not worth what you see in sales imo). RG's are expensive to upkeep since you need the latest GP's. And yeah.... I despise trying to BLUP due to the competition change.

On that note. I need an intervention... I just spent almost 1.2 million on more OG foundations default smiley :o I'm clearly bored and we can't leave the house since my son had to get tested...
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By Nyghtraven, 8th April 2020 05:51:37
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I've actually found quite a few RG foundies relatively cheap in sales, but it does mean a lot of time spent filtering and checking pedigrees and muttering curses about disappeared horses lol

A lot depends on the breed and its popularity. And yeah the OG foundies tend to run higher in price from what I've run across, though I still have found a few bargains here and there.

I just enjoy it as a challenge because inbreeding has always been a pet peeve of mine, so I have fun trying to avoid it just on principle, which is why the NIB idea really appealed to me. Still working on slowly gathering up a decent number of foundation stock horses, some breeds I'm getting quite a few of, and other breeds are like hunting golden hen's teeth. XD
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By ‘quest, 8th April 2020 21:33:43
Anyone NIB Gypsy Vanners?

My theory is there are lots of them on the game so may be easier then Connies?

I might have a smooch in sales.
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By Nyghtraven, 8th April 2020 22:25:34
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I work with the vanners.
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By ‘quest, 8th April 2020 22:38:38
How do you find them ?

They okay to find in the sales?
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By Nyghtraven, 8th April 2020 23:08:57
It can take a bit of searching. Sometimes you get lucky and find some that are equipped with P.Stones which makes them easier to filter for. The rest, its a matter of checking lots of pedigrees and a great deal of patience.

It can be frustrating when you keep finding disappeared horses in the pedigrees.
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By Storms Ransome, 10th April 2020 06:18:14


It really depends on if you're looking for OG or RG. I remember when Connies became hard to get. And at one point GVs were hard because they weren't a starter breed. They were a promo breed.

The other thing that might make it more challenging if you're just starting NIB is NIBing the old way. I still forget that there are folks that want to NIB with RGs and because of NIBing for so many years prior, my mind immediately goes to OG. But I think about the project I have and how I'm only where I am because of when I started. If I came in now and wanted to NIB the original way with the breed I am known for, it would be hard to start.

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By Asfridur, 12th April 2020 09:14:17
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My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Cheval Ganache (2nd generation)
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Camargue
Current GP: 4944.16
Link to the Horse's Page: Link
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By Storms Ransome, 13th April 2020 07:10:43
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Guys, I really want to start submitting horses for rankings again, but how often does the list get updated?

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By Asfridur, 13th April 2020 09:48:18

I don't know, but I just posted one to see if the GP list would be updated or not default smiley (lol)
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By Storms Ransome, 13th April 2020 15:24:09
Part of the reason I don't NIB as competitively as I used to is because I didn't think the ranks were getting updated that much.
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