[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 24th April 2020 01:22:45
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I used to play for a few years between 2012-2015, rejoining now for something to do and I think I might as well start a NIB project right off the bat before I have a chance to complicate things accidentally. If anyone has any tips that'd be appreciated!

I've forgotten a lot of terminology but I definitely noticed what it seems like a lot of people are talking about in regards to the foundie stats being boosted, I was surprised to see how much higher they are now.
By Storms Ransome, 24th April 2020 06:46:06


Yeah that change came a few years ago so many NIBers have modified their game a little bit. What breed(s) are you looking into?

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By Retired breeder, 24th April 2020 17:30:29
I picked Fjords just for fun for now, I'm keeping my eyes on the auctions for 1st or 2nd gen horses so I can have more of a closed lineage. It'll probably be easier once I get access to direct sales again lol. I might pick up another project breed then too, just not sure if I should go with a more popular one or stick to less common breeds.
By Storms Ransome, 24th April 2020 18:29:39
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PS can be easier default smiley (lol). Good luck with the Fjords! I'll keep an eye out for foundies for you.

Storm
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By Antique456, 26th April 2020 05:36:43
Hey guys - On the lookout for new Quarter horse foundations prefer horses that do not have alot of training/ untouched. But will look at anything. Thanks
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By Retired breeder, 26th April 2020 15:08:55
Hello!
I recently found myself in the possession of the divine Kaktos (he gives unicorns which I presume are foundies). Would any of you like me to notify you when I receive unis from him?
By Twinjodi, 26th April 2020 16:05:52
Hey wolfcat11 go ahead and post him in my EC forum!

https://www.howrse.com/centre/forum/sujet?id=407892&sujet=1073928150
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By Asfridur, 27th April 2020 14:44:56
.......... and I forgot to post new GP's again.... gawd I swear I'm suffering from old age syndrome default smiley (lol)
Fine no trouble I'll just post them on Sunday next if I remember default smiley xd
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By Storms Ransome, 27th April 2020 16:25:16
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Does anyone breed RG GVs that doesn't care about if they have affixes or not? They're just sitting there and I'd like them to go to players who will use them.

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By Michelle Abbeduto, 27th April 2020 21:09:17
Antique456 - if this still counts - I have a pair of Foundie Quarters I could breed you a foal or two from? Just give me a yell via PM
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By ‘quest, 27th April 2020 21:45:27
Is there any rules to the rankings?

Like a set number of times you can breed etc

Or is it just they cant be in bred
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By Misabel, 28th April 2020 01:05:46
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The only rules are that the horse is not inbred - no repeat ancestors all the way back to Ouranos & Gaia, with no 'disappeared' ancestors - and has to be purebred.

Keep in mind that those rules are for the publicly posted rankings only. NIB breeding isn't an official game function, and these rankings have no effect on your official game ranking - so in all other respects, you can do as you wish. People can have crossbreeding NIB projects if they want, or even keep using horses whose ancestors vanished, if they are happy to breed NIBs without posting them here.

As you've noticed yourself, GP isn't really a good measuring stick for NIB breeding any more, and it's totally useless for rolling GP horses - new foundies will always come along to beat them - so that's why we've begun noting the generation of the horse in the rankings. Otherwise, there's not much incentive to do more than just keep breeding the same foundie pair over and over.

Don't feel bad Asfridur...I've had a new GP for thoroughbreds that I've been forgetting to post for a couple months now. <facepalm>
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By Retired breeder, 28th April 2020 02:48:19
Is anybody doing shire unis right now? I have two that I don't know what to do with
By Antique456, 28th April 2020 06:35:30


Thanks Michelle, I appreciate the offer, however my NIB project involves no outside lines.
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By Nyghtraven, 28th April 2020 06:36:23


I am slowly working on them, yeah
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By ⊹⊱ℬℓööღεʀʂ⊰⊹, 28th April 2020 18:09:24
Misabel, I'm not entirely sure what you are referring to:

"...so that's why we've begun noting the generation of the horse in the rankings."

Does this refer to the foal produced from the latest generation of an OG and/or RG that breeds with a RG foundie? Or what is the number in parenthesis refer to? Can you explain the following to me?

Barbs: 5239.69 (467*) 4th Gen
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By Asfridur, 28th April 2020 18:20:57
@Misabel good to hear I'm not the only one who forgets default smiley (lol)

@⊹⊱ℬℓööღεʀʂ⊰⊹ the (467*) is just listing that the horse has 467 stars. The 4th gen - listing it's a 4th generation horse.

We had a couple post from players posting the newest offspring from a pair of RG's. Every single time those new foals beat the GP of others. So it was suggested to start listing what generation your horse/pony has as well.
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By Misabel, 28th April 2020 23:30:33
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Exactly this. default smiley (y)
To further clarify, a '1st generation' foal is the product of two foundation horses; The foal of two 1st-gens in a 2nd-gen, and so forth.
If a breed's top GP doesn't have a generation noted, that means no one's posted a new one for a few months.

The # of stars a foal has was a lot more relevant back when GP moved slowly; It used to take several generations get the GP to the point of having even one star. But the game's GP changes are a rising tide that lifted all boats; Even foals from two 350 GP foundies have stars now. My latest 1st-gen has 4*.
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By ‘quest, 2nd May 2020 22:28:18
Any one nibbing Connemaras with the new GP?
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By cowgirl17, 8th May 2020 03:49:45
Just a few questions out of curiosity. I have played this game for 10+ years on and off. I've always only bred high GP horses (following the GP progress in certain breeds over the years). BUT, I kept my original horse I started with when I began the game. Would this horse be considered an NIB?
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By Nyghtraven, 8th May 2020 08:13:24
A horse is NIB if its parents are Ouranos and Gaia, or every horse on its pedigree can be traced back to them.

So yeah, likely if your first horse is from Ouranos and Gaia it would be NIB
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By Emerald01, 8th May 2020 17:03:30

I've acquired a few pairs. They're really slow to BLUP (for me), so I don't have any babies yet. But I got a couple of Hestia's gifts from the event, and at least I'll have a couple of guaranteed uni offspring when they're fully BLUPped. If you intend to sell yours, I'd be interested. default smiley :)
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By Nyghtraven, 8th May 2020 18:30:44
I've been slowly working with my Shire uni's too. Still need a few Zeus' bolts since I ended up with more males than females. I think drafts in general are a little slower to BLUP up, compared to other breeds.

The hardest challenge will be to NIB them further than maybe 3 or 4 gens, since the covers are limited, and you aren't guaranteed unis each time, unless you're lucky enough to have lots of Hestias gifts lol
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By Axel'sMommy, 8th May 2020 19:32:03
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It would be considered a Foundation. All horses with Ouranos and Gaia are foundations and essential to most of our NIB projects because as long as we own the foundations, our lines aren't at risk of getting disappeared horses in the lineage.
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By _Pooh_Bear_, 14th May 2020 05:20:17
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My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Hades
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Friesian
Current GP: 507.78 (6*)
Link to the Horse's Page: https://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=63274347
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