[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Axel'sMommy, 27th July 2017 04:01:09
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Absolutely! I have a strictly unicorn line but soon will blend them with my regular Hano's. The top Hanoverian listed has unicorn lineage.
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By Retired breeder, 28th July 2017 02:37:36
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got quite a few worked, lots of horses in training! feels good to be making dents. now to get wins!
By kooldogz7, 28th July 2017 03:29:50
Ugg! I must be nuts to have spent 1 million equus on a foundy Curly unicorn. Lol! On the bright side I now have 4 Curly foundation unicorns which is three more than I had before. default smiley :)
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By Emma Haven, 28th July 2017 10:45:56
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Hello all,

How do you BLUP foundies that are 350? I am lucky if I get a 3rd place let alone a win. I put bonus on them such as bell boots ect. what else can I do?

Thank you,
Emma
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By JoergenG, 28th July 2017 11:03:33


Use fillers.
Fillers are horses who has worse skills that the horse you want wins on, but still enough to participate in the same comps your horse can. Often other players can help you fill default smiley :) You can enter two of your own horses in the same comp
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By Retired breeder, 28th July 2017 15:19:39
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i have spent quite a bit on my unicorn collections as well! no shame when it comes to them!
By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 28th July 2017 18:49:01
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If anyone is in need of some fillers, I can help out. I'm on quite a bit, so just shoot me a message.
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By Retired breeder, 29th July 2017 02:23:42
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added four more foals to this affix

Thanks to keepsake for helping me get wins on my last two vanners! Feels good to be doing some updates. Now to pick a few more to start training!
By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 30th July 2017 17:08:16
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My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Perfect
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Hackney
Current GP: 431.06
Link to the Horse's Page: Perfect
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By Retired breeder, 2nd August 2017 03:22:01
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Congrats on the new GP!

Anyone got any goals for the week/upcoming?

I got four vanners added to my 1st gen line and I am establishing training for at least a pair of each of my breeds, most are foundies in training, but i have some 1st and 2nd gens of a few.

I also have to gear up and either rebreed my shetlands and marwari regulars, or just keeep blupping foundies and wait till theyre ALL done.

anyone else got big plans or working toward something in the near future?
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By Asfridur, 2nd August 2017 06:53:19
Thanks for the info Comatose.

Struggling to get online as of late. Very limited time so my pixels are on summer vacation. All while I work on getting my body back in working order default smiley (lol)

Need to get cracking on those Shagya and Drums. Good thing their not going anywhere - just patiently waiting for their turn
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By Retired breeder, 4th August 2017 13:55:29
I'm still trying to figure out this whole BLUP thing. But I finally bolded my starting TB mare (Felony) in one of her skills!
I also picked up a few more foundie mustang foals. You really do have to watch for those! I think I saw 5 total yesterday?
I'm not really working them very hard right now though until I understand BLUP a bit better. I get the basic premise, but not how to do it by 10 years of age. Leo (my starting TB stally) is a little over 10 and only at about 59 BLUP and still gaining skills from rides.
But I've got another TB that I bought later on that's only 5 and at 15 BLUP.
Slowly but surely my horses are getting higher BLUPs at younger ages.

Thank goodness they're foundies default smiley ;) default smiley :-))
By Adivinanza, 4th August 2017 16:22:02
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Its a little bit of trial and error for getting BLUPing right. You could check out the BLUP thread to find a TB schedule.
I don't follow a particular schedule, but if I raise them from foal, I can usually get them finished by 11yrs. For RG NIBS, I think the idea is to train fully in two skills that are secondary and tertiary in a particular competition, and not train the primary skill at all so you can enter lower comps and win with amazing secondary skills. I pick a competition that my breed has the highest skill in as a secondary for the comp. e.g. For my standies in classical riding, I train trot and gallop fully (trot is the best skill for them), and simultaneously also throw in some mountain rides (while in a mountain EC || bc mountain boosts trot and not dressage) and then enter them in dressage comps until they have the 20 wins. Then finish up all the other skills and comps and forest rides after.

Another thing that you probably noticed, but I feel like needs to be stated for any newbies (it took me a week to notice):
-Stroking your horse gives you more energy the lower the horses' current energy is. So, wait to stroke until energy is 15% or lower.
-Feeding your horse gives more energy for the same quantity of food the higher your horse's energy is. So, I feed them when they've done just enough work to maximize the energy for the time. You should also find what the average about of oats required per day is so you only have to feed once. A bit of trial and error required.
-Board in boxes that have showers and water troughs, if possible for better energy gains with watering and less energy spent doing tasks.

For example, my standards usually require 12-14 fodder once they hit maturity, and I know once training/comps/rides are available, they will require 12 oats by the end of the day. I've found a balance point, where if the first thing I do is only train or ride for a time that reduces their energy to around 70%, and then I feed directly after the above mentioned food amounts, and that puts their energy back into the high nineties. (If they lost 24% energy riding I found that they can get back around 25% at this time. If their energy is higher, they can gain like 28%, but it's wasted because its over 100%. If I wait until their energy is lower, they gain 12-18% or whatever and you lose the 'free' extra energy).
Then I train/comp/ride until their energy is below 10%, then stroke (gaining 9-11% energy). (Again, the closer to 0 energy, the more energy you get from stroking).
Then water/mash/carrot and more training as energy levels and time left allow.

I wasted a lot of little chunks of time at first because I would stroke early and feed late (I thought the numbers were random at first default smiley :( ). Did everyone else just know that it worked this way?! No one ever told me...
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By Retired breeder, 5th August 2017 01:53:22
I actually mis-spoke. Leo and Felony are both a bit under 10, so maybe I'm less behind that I thought I was. I did catch onto the different energy gains, but I also lost some chunks of time at first (which is probably the biggest reason my younger horses are BLUPing faster). And I have been putting them in the best boxes with troughs and showers as I can. I'm steadily moving them into my own EC so I don't have to deal with other ECs.
But that's good to know! I wasn't training their top 3 skills in any particular order. I also made the mistake of fully training Leo and Felony before competing. I learned not to do that by the time my younger purchases got to competing age. I'll have to get more strategic about it. Hopefully it will also help me with wins! Right now they're at 1 each default smiley (o)

Thanks!
By Retired breeder, 5th August 2017 02:37:24
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Okay, I just have to say...

WOW.

Tried what you suggested and put my two starting TBs in all of the 0 difficulty cutting (they have very low stamina but high dressage and speed) competitions I could. (The ones that I could get them both in I put them together, they're pretty close to even so they switched off with wins.) Leo picked up 10 wins and Felony picked up 5 and bolded another skill!

Thanks! default smiley (y)
By Retired breeder, 6th August 2017 02:53:11
Could someone explain the basics of NIB please or point me to a page the right info, I am a beginner in this area. Thank you. default smiley :)
By JoergenG, 6th August 2017 19:25:29
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NIBing is where no horse appears twice in the family line, except Ouranos and Gaia. Usually you buy two foundies and breed them together, and you have you first generation (if you don't count foundies).
To get a 2. gen you would have to start from scratch again with two new foundies, and then breeding them to then breed the 1 foal. So it takes a lot of horses for a lot of generations.

Some info is at the opening post of the forum default smiley :)
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By JoergenG, 7th August 2017 00:06:08
Wow!
Just picked up a Gypsy Vanner male foundie for (this is indeed unreal) 15k!!!! Now I just need a mare for my project :P
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By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 7th August 2017 22:13:41
There are a bunch of foundies in the sales for 15k. I picked up two hackneys for 15k.
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By Retired breeder, 8th August 2017 03:31:48
You're so lucky. I still have to outbid a certain fllipper for every single TB.
And to pick up mustangs it cost me 50k a piece for females >.<

Why would you need to start over with another pair to create two 2 gens to breed together? Why not just breed to a foundie every time? For example, I'm breeding Leo and Felony to produce a foal. Let's call it Blue. I plan to breed him/her to either Larcen (male) or MisD (female) who are both foundies.
By Axel'sMommy, 8th August 2017 09:05:24
AgentJustice,

You can do it that way, but if you breed two first gens together instead of going back to a foundies, you'll get a higher GP foal. So I think most of us just stick to breeding horses of the same generation together.
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By Retired breeder, 8th August 2017 15:33:08
That makes sense. Good thing I just bred LEO and felony. Guess I'll finish up Larcen and MisD and use them as a pair.
By Axel'sMommy, 10th August 2017 20:17:15
I forgot, who has the forum with the NIB horse sales and wanted ads?
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By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 10th August 2017 21:49:52


It's in Poindextra's forum.
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