[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Asfridur, 5th February 2023 11:44:02
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My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Kitzu
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Shagya (old GP)
Current GP: 767.55 (25 stars, 5th gen)
Link to the Horse's Page: link
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By lbenedict15, 22nd February 2023 16:23:43
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Just plodding along on getting horses trained. Love that NIB can be done slowly. My yearly goal is at least one full BLUP a year. If I keep that pace, I'll finish all my foundies many, many years after I pass on! default smiley xd
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By Twinjodi, 27th February 2023 00:11:09
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If you have low goals, easy to over come :P

My NIB GP Entry Updates

Horse's Name: Constellation
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Chincoteague Pony
Current GP: : 575.97 (8*)
Link to the Horse's Page: https://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=75434194

Horse's Name: Morilug
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Australian Pony
Current GP: 581.44 (9*)
Link to the Horse's Page: https://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=76099025
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By AidynGemini, 27th February 2023 02:54:43
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It's not much, but here is my first NIB GP Entry!

Horse's Name: Trelleborg
Horse's Breed: Fjord (RGP)
Current GP: 6932.67
Link to the Horse's Page: https://www.howrse.com/elevage/chevaux/cheval?id=76552214
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By Twinjodi, 27th February 2023 19:33:46
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Links for the Community

International Discord Link

By the Breed Breeder's List

NIB Breeder Projects

Please feel free to message myself (Twinjodi), lbenedict15, or sleepingrose if you'd like anything added, edited, etc on either list! default smiley :)
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By brobean, 3rd March 2023 04:20:09
random thought I've just had--NIB crossbreed lines...does anyone try to experiment in that way default smiley (8)
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By Asfridur, 3rd March 2023 08:30:03
brobean wrote:

random thought I've just had--NIB crossbreed lines...does anyone try to experiment in that way default smiley (8)

I always wanted to try it out. Like use random breeds I'm given from Ran. But I've never gotten around to more than thinking about doing it default smiley :)

Are you considering doing specific breeds?

As such I do not think they'd be considered NIB.
Correct me if I'm wrong - but it would still be fun to do.
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By lbenedict15, 3rd March 2023 11:58:35
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There are a few that have played around with NIB crossbreeding. They will not count for the rankings, but they are still fun!
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By taybenson, 7th March 2023 13:55:53
Back after a couple years once again! Looking for foundie morgan's to restart my NIB morgan line! Let me know what you have available
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By Retired breeder, 8th March 2023 15:47:45
I used to breed Australian and Welsh ponies back in the day, and I would really like to go back into it.

I consistently purchase my NIB horses at 10,000e each, and foundies I usually pay 20,000e. My goal is to obtain at least one filly/mare of each breed (Aussie & Welsh) to get started. Two fillies/mares each would be my ideal. I am also not shy about purchasing colts/stallions and will gladly take one or two each.

So, if anyone has Australian or Welsh ponies that they're interested in selling, or if I could purchase a foal from somebody, pretty please send me a message. default smiley :)
By taybenson, 12th March 2023 20:41:13
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Aside from posting here or sifting through family trees, is there any way to filter the sales searches to find NIB horses that are in the sales?
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By Twinjodi, 12th March 2023 21:07:29
Unfortunately not at this time!
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By Retired breeder, 14th March 2023 23:05:31
Are the NIB rankings listed above current, or are the current rankings listed elsewhere?
By Misabel, 15th March 2023 02:41:10
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Retired breeder wrote:

Are the NIB rankings listed above current, or are the current rankings listed elsewhere?


They should be current, though it looks like the most recent entries have yet to be added. I sent them to the mod who usually updates the list, but she has probably been too busy to get to it. default smiley :)
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By Vala, 15th March 2023 06:47:02
How do you guys go with disappeared horses? Does that count if the horse is NIB since then? Cheers
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By Vala, 15th March 2023 06:48:11
Also do pastry foals count? Thanks �
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By Retired breeder, 15th March 2023 16:30:12
Okay, cool! Thanks, Misabel. default smiley (y)
By Misabel, 15th March 2023 17:31:48
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Vala wrote:

How do you guys go with disappeared horses? Does that count if the horse is NIB since then? Cheers


Horses with disappeared ancestors won't qualify for the GP rankings in the top post, since their parentage cannot be verified. But if you don't care about having your horse's GP ranked, then there's nothing stopping you from using those horses in your own program...indeed, since NIBing isn't an official game function, those who aren't concerned with the ranking can basically do as they please. default smiley :)

As for pastry foals, they qualify as long as they're all from different pastry parents (they have unique ID numbers, so it's easy to tell). I do wish those pastries would serve up actual foundies instead, it would make things much easier. default smiley (8)
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By Vala, 16th March 2023 06:18:28
Thanks! Im debating playing with a cpl lines, i have a pair of arabians and some others. It must get hard to source new bloodlines after a while, specially for the breeds that have been here a while!
the German Saddle for instance, theres a few around atm that are foundies but it doesnt last
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By Asfridur, 16th March 2023 07:58:29
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Vala wrote:

Thanks! Im debating playing with a cpl lines, i have a pair of arabians and some others. It must get hard to source new bloodlines after a while, specially for the breeds that have been here a while!
the German Saddle for instance, theres a few around atm that are foundies but it doesnt last

Yes it is absolutely challenging. Often times the best way to start is to go on a hoarding spree when new breeds are introduced.
If you search after horses aged <8 months, with skills <1 that are purebred. You should be able to find them. But foundation horses are not as easy to spot as they have been.
Sadly we still do not have an option to search for foundation horses. Would be so much easier.

Rolling gain foundies are a pain in the B to find default smiley (lol)
Best way around that one is to have foundation horse gifters. But you'll need the patience of a saint there also
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By Pinque, 25th March 2023 00:01:29
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If I may offer a piece of advice: when I'm hunting rolling gain foundies, I set the GP filter for a few points higher than the GP I'm looking for and the Skills for less than 1, and click on the
purebred box (that's if I'm looking for untrained horses/foals). It may not always get me where I want to be, but at least I'm in the same ball game.

You can add coat color if you want or any other filter you want to check. It's helped me find coats for my trophies, too.

I learned this from my aunt, tigrelily. Hope this helps others. default smiley ;)
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By Retired breeder, 8th April 2023 19:53:49
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I have one male and one female foundie of the new German saddle horse breed, and I keep forgetting to ask if anyone here wants them. If you do, shoot me a pm since I am not NIBing this breed.
By Retired breeder, 10th April 2023 01:58:23
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For the rankings:

:: OG Standardbred ::
Horse's Name: Divinity
Horse's Breed: Standardbred
Current GP: 482.21 (3*) 1st Gen
Link to the Horse's Page: https://www.howrse.com/elevage/chevaux/cheval?id=66074585

:: RG Standardbred ::
Horse's Name: Gravity
Horse's Breed: Standardbred
Current GP: 5632.68 (506*) 1st Gen
Link to the Horse's Page: https://www.howrse.com/elevage/chevaux/cheval?id=74045739

:: RG KWPN ::
Horse's Name: Blue Vanilla
Horse's Breed: KWPN
Current GP: 3829.17 (325*) 1st Gen
By clancy303, 13th April 2023 09:39:04
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Hey default smiley ^)
I have my original (new gp) foundie thoroughbreds and some of their offspring for anyone who would like to use them in their NIB lines. PM me to discuss details but Chester is a fully blupped stallion who I’m more than happy to offer coverings with or I can breed him with Gilly and I’m happy to give away their offspring. I can also look into some other horses of mine who might be foundies and I’m more than happy to offer any coverings from them
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By SpottedFur97, 13th April 2023 23:34:42
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Apologies if this post is misplaced here or been done before, but since I've returned to howrse I've been resolute in trying my hand at making my own NIB line (breed of choice German Saddle Horses) But, I'm a bit at a loss in figuring out how many horses I will need as a good foundation herd? And was curious if more knowledgeable NIB breeders have any tips on how to organize who's related to who. Spreadsheets, etc. default smiley :d <3 Feel free to PM me if you feel this would clog the thread <3
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