[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Storms Ransome, 8th April 2018 06:19:36


I miss playing with you! What projects are you working on now?
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By October Lilac, 8th April 2018 14:40:48
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Storm - right? I miss NIBing with the community! The rolling gain thing and difficulty to get wins on 350gp horses just killed me. I'm glad to see others in this niche are more resilient than medefault smiley (lol)

As far as NIB goes, I've got a small collection of RG foundie paint horses and paint unicorns, which I'm slowly BLUPing. At the moment they are just a golden apple collection but once I get them BLUPed I probably won't be able to resist having the world's slowest paint NIB projectdefault smiley (lol) My Kaktos and Hipparion are kind to me too, and I've been buying cheap Kaktos unis when I see them, so I've got some random RG horses and unicorns that I'm working on BLUPing. I may just offer covers with them instead of starting a project though, they are all different breeds.

I can still hang out with you guys if I do a teeny bit of NIBing, right? default smiley 8-)

Otherwise, I just got VIP status so my game is dominated by my high GP unicorn teams!

Speaking of NIB... I think I have some foundie draft horses BLUPed that I'll literally never use the covers for. I have a male Shire, a male Percheron, and a female Drum. (and a female donkey). They are part of my GA collection so they aren't in danger of going anywhere, so if anyone wants a cover/foal from one let me knowdefault smiley (lol)
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By Storms Ransome, 8th April 2018 18:36:20
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@OL,

What kind of a question is that? default smiley (lol). I guess I should probably update my friends list with your name. It still says NIB Shagyas in the tab 0.0. Gone are those days, though, aren't they?

And I still have my original foundation projects. I'm still doing my Appies. But I do dabble with the RG foundies.
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By Storms Ransome, 9th April 2018 19:49:20
So getting wins is definitely proving to be challenging with my old 1G's :/
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By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 9th April 2018 19:59:10


I could fill if you'd like.
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By TheHobbyBarn, 9th April 2018 20:58:01
I have a question... I've seen several foundation donkeys in the sales recently that were born 3/2018. How did people get these?
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By October Lilac, 10th April 2018 00:13:19
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TheHobbyBarn - Hipparion gives you foundies of breeds you don't have. If you don't have any donkeys, it might give you a foundie donkeydefault smiley (y)
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By TheHobbyBarn, 10th April 2018 00:54:10
October,

Wish I could get my hands on one!
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By Storms Ransome, 10th April 2018 03:44:47
@f l i c k e r, I'll be around this weekend if you're up for filling. I'll return the favor.
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By Asfridur, 10th April 2018 18:46:38
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I love how active you guys have been here these last past days default smiley (l)

Getting closer and closer to being able to breed a 4th gen drum. Need me 2 of those though before I'll be able to breed a 5th gen for the only 5th NIB I have. But I'm definitely going places default smiley (lol)
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By Storms Ransome, 10th April 2018 18:58:04
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Same!

I bred my first 1G in a couple of years, which was from two Friz Uni parents and she was born hornless, but 2* from foundation parents when it took me 7G to get my 2* Appy. It's crazy how far NIB horses have come without even coming that far! 0.0
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By Asfridur, 10th April 2018 19:54:49
Yes exactly. Sure was a LOT more difficult to even get a 1 star gain.

I was shocked to see how fast the new breed Kerry Bog got to over 8000 in GP. Took like a week or a little more.
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By Storms Ransome, 11th April 2018 01:28:57


I think it took me 4 to 5Gs to get the first ever, NIB Appaloosa Greenstar
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By Asfridur, 11th April 2018 07:54:09
I wish I had kept all my ancient ones. I only have a few first gen Canadians left. From way back when I made this account.
Sad fact is I only affixed a few of them all. Here's a first gen

I will not be making the same mistake with my other NIB's. Their staying put.
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By Storms Ransome, 11th April 2018 17:00:54
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Wow, she is an ancient one. I have all the NIBs from the lines that created my 1* and my 2*. I want to make it my goal to get all my Foundation horses their wins this year. Even if they aren't my Appaloosas. So if you want to have any BLUP parties, let me know. But it's really nice having an old NIBer around that isn't me. default smiley (lol).
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By Asfridur, 11th April 2018 17:18:46
I'm jealous you still have all of yours default smiley (lol)

I've got several hundred Shagya foundies left to work. So a BLUP party would most certainly be sweet ^

And no your definitely not the only one left NIB'ing.
I'm just going slow.
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By Storms Ransome, 11th April 2018 17:30:04
I'm going as slow as the wins that don't come in! default smiley (lol)

I kept all of mine because I didn't want to run into the "horse disappeared" horror. Haha. I don't have all the NIB foals because I let the extras go but I still have them from that line.
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By Storms Ransome, 11th April 2018 18:32:09
Two of my foundation horses just threw this guy:

Indian 3*

3* in 1G 0.0

Compare her to:
Shining Moment 2*

and
Star Bright 1*

How times have changed!
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By Asfridur, 11th April 2018 18:48:36
default smiley :o wow quite a difference isn't it. 3 is really crazy high!

I bred a Don from old GP stock i March, and got a horse with 451 in GP 2*
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By Storms Ransome, 11th April 2018 19:11:40
I just threw a 5* from two old 7Gs!

The TBs got up to 15* before the community died! I was not paying attention when that happened.

And yeah the gain on your RD is pretty impressive, isn't it?
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By Asfridur, 11th April 2018 19:19:54
O_O dang that is crazy!

I think misabel is still breeding them.

Yes and when ever I see such gain I shake my head in wonder. I know it's just numbers. But it was more fun when it took a lot more effort to gain stars.


I just checked my drafts. The GP of the offspring is all over the place.

Examples.
Foals from 1831 foundie stock - I get GP spanning from 1865 - 1908
Foals from 2067 foundie stock I get GP spanning from 2119 - 2142

Second gens and onwards are slightly more even. But that is only due to me trying my hardest to match the studs more evenly GP wise
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By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 12th April 2018 22:36:35
@Storms Ransome, that'd be great.

If anyone else wants to join, we could have a blup party.
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By Storms Ransome, 12th April 2018 23:32:44


We totally should. We just need to figure out what kind of IM platform everyone would be comfortable using, or if they would be at all. I also have access to my friend's fillers through joint account, if needed.

Storm
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By Retired breeder, 13th April 2018 04:13:47
do y'all use discord? we could have an NIB server :3
By ｆｌｉｃｋｅｒ, 13th April 2018 05:05:20


I had made one, but it was quite a while ago and I think I deleted it.

But anyway, Discord would be best for me.
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