[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 03:31:58
Thanks I thought I was destined to only 1 win today....out of 40 I was a little put out default smiley xd. Luckily that one win was on a mare that is now 100 BLUP due to that one win so I still felt accomplished default smiley :-))
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 03:40:42
default smiley xd couldn't help myself. Just bought an immortal fully bolded 100 BLUP mare with a GA for 19k....I am pretty sure I have owned her before too lol. Named her Starz....low skills but meh. I own a foal from her already and am about to PM the stud owner to see if she will sell him. Wish me luck default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 03:52:57
I dont think I have the time or cash to collect 60+ pairs of foundations, I think I might have to make use of outside stallions and buy foals that are a few generations on. Soon I will be looking for a 1st Gen mate for my up and coming foal. Must be from a reputable breeder with 100blup parents. Dont have much eques but coud pay passes or bm items. If anyone is soon to be selling a high quality Arab 1st gen foal let me know. default smiley ;)
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 04:02:38
tritty I have plenty and I do custom foals if you are interested default smiley (y). I have 3 studs to choose from though Tikki's price is a little steep for custom foals (5k and 1 pass) and several different mares with all skills bolded. Prices vary upon the mares used. It will be a tad more expensive for a WOY mare
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 04:13:03
FQ what is a WOY mare? sorry still trying to catch on to all the lingo. Im still working on getting my other mare bluped but will be looking for a stallion for her eventually. Where do you keep the foals you are willing to sell?
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 04:14:40
They are in my other horses tab, all I am willing to part with as I am cleaning up stock. WOY mare just means the mare has a Water Of Youth on her which takes twice as much time and/or aging points to foal, not fun default smiley xd
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By Rowen, 19th January 2010 04:19:58
FQ ~ I think I saw that mare in the PS and thought of you when I saw her. I didn't have enough to afford her myself but definitely thought she was worth interest. Good luck getting her mate and securing that first gen babies parents for your program.

Tritty ~ I think it's okay to use outside studs and mares but you are going to want to make sure that when you buy breedings or first generation babies that you are sure that it is from people who are less likely to delete their game. I am less likely to buy a first gen foal from someone who I don't know than from someone who has been breeding NIB horses for a long time and I know will stick around in the game. That way I don't have lines that disappear from my horses.

Thats the only reason' that a lot of those are doing a ton of breeding and buying of foundation horses within our own barns. It makes our babies a little safer in the long run.
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 04:22:12
If I dont have 5k at the time I want to breed my mare can I just pay his fee with passes or BM items? I should have enough time to save but just incase. I will have a look at your foals. default smiley ;)
By Rowen, 19th January 2010 04:23:32
My mare Dixie Belle just got her last win and just needs to finish her stamina training now to be 100 BLUP. One more down hehe.

I think she will have well over 400 skills too when she is done too which will be cool.

Dixie Belle
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 04:24:56
*huge sigh* Soooo happy that I don't have to sell my mare CelticMind, her GP may be low (352 something for a 1st gen) but she is LOADED with items and I would have just died if I would have had too.....both her parents have been havened.....Unfortunately her dam's name is now PASS HORSE but....that is fine, I plan on selling the rest anyway.

I do hope I get the stud as the foal is 355 GP after I finish the games default smiley ^). I was surprised someone hadn't already grabbed her up but am happy that I got her back into my herd. She had already been bolted at some point in her life so I couldn't make her a stud like I wanted too but oh well.
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 04:27:39
tritty, he has one last public covering left for outside mares which costs 500e and then his books will be closed to the public. default smiley (y)

Rowen congrads!! She should have about 420% skills if all of her lessons and stamina pan out right as an arabian foundation gets around 50% skills just for the stamina.. (please don't quote that though default smiley (lol))

*waggles eyebrows* Ya know that Luxury and Noel are very lonely in my barn *wink wink*
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 04:28:06
Yes I will be checking out the players quite thoroughly before buying or breeding. I dont want my lines broken, that will Pee me off, but I guess its a risk you gotta take unless your willing to buy up 60+ foundation pairs. default smiley (lol) I will P.Stone my foundies that I have so that if it all turns to S..t then I can start over.
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 04:31:51
FQ dont spose I could reserve that public cover? For when My mare is ready?
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 04:32:57
Other wise maybe Noel would like some lovin. default smiley (lol) default smiley ;)
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 04:33:50
Sure thing default smiley (y). Closing up his books now default smiley ^)

Tikki Tech 1.2 is no longer for public coverings. If there is anyone else interested in him only custom foals will be allowed from him now default smiley ;)
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 04:36:32
Noel is and always will be open for the public default smiley (y). Whenever you are interested in a covering from him just let me know default smiley ^)
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 04:43:35
Awsome! Thanks FQ. I might try scrounge up a few more foundy mares to use to outside stallys. default smiley ;)
By tayba, 19th January 2010 04:45:42
Starting Right just mentioned to me that someone is looking for 1st gen arabs? I've got a couple sitting in PS right now looking for homes.
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 04:53:48
All this talk about possible greenstarred NIBs makes me want to mention that GP isn't the only factor-- you should look at the highest skill GP, too!

I'm paying close attention to both for my NIB lines and have specific goals for each that I want in the offspring. I'm not just breeding the first foals to come along.

The same pairing has produced a range of Total GPs... and the highest GP ranges, too. Even howrses with the same exact GP of the same breed can have different GPs for their top skill. So that's another thing to keep in mind. =)
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 04:57:43
I will definately be keeping a close eye out on the particular crosses I do with GP but I plan on tweaking it to where top GPs are crossed with slightly lower ones to create a sort of balance between my GPs for the next generation. I am hoping this works but who knows default smiley *-)
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By tayba, 19th January 2010 05:01:05
That's very true Jeteska. I've noticed that myself.

I've even noticed differences in foundation skills too. My marwari pair, both 351.2GP and fully bolded. Both were raised from 6 months in the very same EC with 23e lessons. One has a stamina of 71.19, the other 71.14. Stamina is not even one of their lesson gain skills.
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By Rowen, 19th January 2010 05:01:16
Jeteska --

I have noticed that in my first generation horses. Even if the parents have very similar GP's when bred often the Stamina GP will vary quite a bit between breedings. Not sure what a good GP skill gain would be for a 1st generation Arabian but I am getting around 1.5 to 1.0 for GP gain from foundation to 1st generation would that be considered good?
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 05:19:19
Gross estimate for Total GP for a greenstarred howrse is 380. I've seen ones at that GP that still didn't have a star because their highest skill wasn't quite at 100. I'm aiming for a gain of 2, but in reality I've gotten closer to 1.8 so far.

If I were able to get that gain of 2, I'd only need 32 foundations (6 generations) to get that greenstar. I've went counting through some of the inbred howrses to see how many generations it's taken them and the lowest I've seen is 6 (Marwari)... but I'm guessing 7 is more likely.
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 05:31:40
That is much lower than aml's estimate default smiley *-)....hmmmm I did the math and 6-7 generations is between 45-55 sets of foundations default smiley *-)
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 05:40:20
Hmm. Letsee...

Gen 6 = 1 horse
Gen 5 = 2 horses
Gen 4 = 4 horses
Gen 3 = 8 horses
Gen 2 = 16 horses
Gen 1 = 32 horses

Right?
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