[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 20:08:13
Wild I believe I posted the answer up above default smiley ;). Skills have nothing to do with GP, only BLUP and GP of parents. Skills and tears are all just a bonus for the future foal default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 20:19:02
I have a Foundation connie up for stud.
300e for a good NIB connemara breeder.
3 covering aviliable.
100 BULP, Good GP and skills (360+)
Take a look and PM me.
Also does anyone have any mare foundation connies? default smiley ;)
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 21:42:59
FQ - thanks but.....I know that part -- what I was wondering is what influence, if any, skills have on stars --- or is it ONLY GP that influences stars.....'scuse if I'm being obtuse but it's been a rather looooong day....default smiley xd

..perhaps i dozed off during that portion of the GP-Star-Skill class....default smiley :(
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 21:53:04
Skills still have nothing to do with stars as stars are determined by GP and skills have nothing to do with GP default smiley (y)
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 22:06:17
Thanks for clearing that up.......default smiley :) It was just that skill-star connection, or lack thereof as the case may be...that had me a bit befuddled.......

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Going out on a limb here....but I suppose foundation unis are as rare as hen's teeth? Saw one today in another horse's pedigree and had myself a bit of a drool.....default smiley ;)
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 22:11:41
Yes foundation unis are rare. There were only 5 or 6 foundation arabians, 1 or 2 have been haven'd or passed.....*sigh* Mine is safe with Sionnach default smiley ^)
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 22:36:39
Yay, just won an 8hh Shutterly mare for 15k out of auctions default smiley :-)), she has all sorts of goodies on her too default smiley :p
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 22:37:50
*gasp* WHO would allow such a thing?!

I'm off to wander around the auction....I'm selling the unfortunate product of a newbie breeding experiment (newf x connie)...so feel justified in buying something else....(purposely ignoring the unicorn purchases of the last few days) default smiley ;)
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 22:46:22
I believe I got my other shutterfly mare for 20ishk also so I haven't done to bad. I am winning a whole bunch of auctions that I forgot about default smiley xd and now don't really need if I only need 32-64 pairs of foundations to have enough for greenstardom. I have nearly 80 sets default smiley xd lol
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 22:53:51
Nice purchase, FQ....um...what's 8hh?

Some delights in the auction for foundation newfs...including a *reserved* sale which, of course, I had to bid on....default smiley (6) Unfortunately I'll be at work tomorrow when one of them closes....fingers-crossed, I guess.
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 22:57:23
Wild if you send me the link I can watch it. I have tomorrow off.

8hh= 8 hands high. Sorry I own real horses so know the terms default smiley :$
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 23:13:13
I thought so.....(the hh)......just didn't know that size mattered...default smiley (lol)

Thanks heaps for the offer to watch....I'll toddle off and get the link....

Some very delusional peeps selling in the PS....default smiley :o

Does anyone know, is it terribly dire for a horse to be trained too far along in jumping but okay elsewhere? There's one in the PS almost worth the risk.....default smiley (o)
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 23:21:47
Send a link to that one too Wild and I will let you know. You breed ponies, much different than horses not to mention Newfies have hano like skills. Nothing like arabians default smiley xd.

The original shutterflies, the ones from the advent calender, came in the form of mini arabians of both genders. So far I own two mares, 8hh and 8.3hh. Arabians generally stand 14-16hh. One of my Shutterflies are called Crazy Midget for this reason default smiley :p
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 23:39:47
You have no idea how funny that is about the shutterfly arabs...I had one...but didn't even notice her size....default smiley (lol) Sunny83 has her now....default smiley ;)

I pm'd you re: the newfs....default smiley :-)) I think the problem is that the little blurb always tells you to 'concentrate on the such-and-such' skills which is sometimes counter-productive to getting wins....

Off to walk the hounds....will check back in a while....
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 23:45:45
Do shutterflies produce normal height arabs?
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 23:46:16
Jumps up and down* I have got 3 wins so far today. Pretty Birdie got her first 1st place, Heartache (351.12 GP stud) got his 6th or 7th and Eternal got his 14th default smiley :-)) *crosses fingers* Hoping the rest of my comps go similarly lol
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 23:56:59
I'm not sure, I have come across any foals from them default smiley *-)

*jumps up and down even more* Soaring Skies just won in two races! Only one more win needed and she has like 4 more to run default smiley (7). Could be a very lucky day for me default smiley :-))
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 23:57:27
haven't* come across any of their foals.

There aren't many...if any at 100 BLUP yet. default smiley *-)
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By Retired breeder, 20th January 2010 00:11:33
just had a bit of a look, there is a 6month old shutterfly foal, both shutterfly parents although neither are 100blup, it is 11.1hh at 6months so im guessing they produce your standard arab foal. default smiley :(
By Retired breeder, 20th January 2010 00:12:33
its in auctions, dont know how to link it but you can search for arab horses 100% pure with less than 350gp. named shutterfly foal
By Retired breeder, 20th January 2010 00:23:53
Congrats on your flurry of winnage, FQ......here's hoping for more of the same...default smiley :-)) default smiley (y)
By Rowen, 20th January 2010 01:24:46
I have had two wins tonight and that's it so far but still have a lot of comps to go
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By Forest Queen, 20th January 2010 08:25:42
Didn't get anymore wins while I was away but will enter them in more now default smiley (y)
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By Retired breeder, 20th January 2010 08:28:11
Congrats on yesterdays comps!

Got my babies in and heading off to bed.

Good luck everyone!
By Retired breeder, 20th January 2010 08:57:49
Forest, not sure how to explain - I meant 'control' in the context of an experiment; All her previous foals are from before GP's went up, so I won't have a good comparison. (she's a foundie)
From comments here, My experiment should be succesful... *insert evil laugh here*
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