[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Rowen, 17th January 2010 01:03:07
I got home from taking my hubby out for his bday dinner and both my foundies had finished their competitions. What a great way to end the day.

My count right now is 32 females and 27 male foundation horses. I still have a long way to go but I will get there eventually.

I guess what I am doing is working my foundations and then the babies as they get born from the foundation pairings. I am also breeding first and second generations as they get done but it seems to be working. I keep a little notebook and I have a bunch of pages for each type of horse foundation female, foundation male, etc and then as the babies are born I write them down in the appropriate area and I mark who I will breed them to and the babies name once it's born.

It's ancient technology I know but it works for me and so far I haven't screwed it up lol.

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By bluetempest, 17th January 2010 01:22:55
I would think you could would not need that many horses to get a green stardefault smiley :( If you don't restrict yourself to only breeding foundations to foundation, 1st gen to 1st gen etc. I don't mind breeding horses that are a few generations off from each other nor do I keep track of generations. Would it make a difference if you theoretically had each foundation with 351.2 in GP? Or no since some of the low GP foundations seem to be popping out better foals.
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By Forest Queen, 17th January 2010 01:25:10
I don't think it is necessary to have all 351.2. A lot of the old 07 and early 08 horses kick out just as great of foals as the top GPs do. I haven't paid much attention the the dispersal of the GP to each skill though so who knows default smiley *-)
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By Rowen, 17th January 2010 01:27:52
The problem is that if you use horses more than once in your breeding program it gets very confusing and you run the risk of ending up with an inbred horse. If each horse is only bred to one other horse and then that baby is trained and bred to another pairs baby then you are safe because you know none of the babies are related. That's why I don't keep any babies that I'm not going to use in my breeding program so I won't get confused and use them by mistake.

I tried to go and get a horse at auctions but Forest Queen was there so I ran away because she's ferocious at those auctions lol. So I guess I won't fall off the wagon today. But maybe....tomorrow.....hehe

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By Rowen, 17th January 2010 01:30:04
Yeah I use a lot of the Foundations that no one else will touch because they don't really seem to have much for GP. They still seem to really throw good babies even though their GP is lower. My first generation babies from them are around the same GP + or - 1/2 a GP point as the ones I am breeding from my 351.20 mares and studs.

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By Forest Queen, 17th January 2010 01:36:19
teehee default smiley (6) I have nooooo idea what you mean default smiley :p

default smiley (8)*insert whistling here*default smiley (8)

I have been buying tons of low GP horses, even spent a pass on one and placed a GA on her. Will post later but not right now. I'm going to write down the names of my studs and mares and see how many of each I have default smiley :p Gonna take me FOREVER default smiley xd
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By Forest Queen, 17th January 2010 01:36:54
If there is one you really really want I will step away from it Rowen default smiley (y)
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By Rowen, 17th January 2010 02:06:27
Okay so I bred my two 351.20 Foundations together and got a filly.

Her GP at birth is 355.84 so she should finish games with 357.04 which is .02 away from Forest Queens Tikki baby default smiley :d She also has 105.79 IBS. So pleased with that pairing.

Harmony

Can't wait until morning to get her started.

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By Forest Queen, 17th January 2010 02:10:44
ohmygosh! Those two will make some pretty babies default smiley ;) lol

Not even half of the way done with my foundies yet default smiley xd
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By Rowen, 17th January 2010 02:16:07
Forest Queen ~ that's what I was thinking...can you imagine a breeding between Silvery Mistikki and Harmony with Aphrodite's Tears. Boy I really wish I could have them trained in one day lol.
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By Forest Queen, 17th January 2010 02:31:50
That would be awesome default smiley (7) lol.

What kind of plans do you have for Cat by the way?
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By Retired breeder, 17th January 2010 02:45:35
Hello everyone! I was just over at the game play forum and I was told that someone here might be able to help me out with nib breeding. Mostly I'm looking for advice on how to go about producing the best foals and fillies and I have heard about breeding programs among several players. How does this work?

I am breeding friesians right now, they are still very young and not much skill yet. Thanks in advance for any helpdefault smiley (a)
By Rowen, 17th January 2010 02:46:36
Not sure yet she definitely won't go anywhere cause I want to make sure that Tikki's baby stays NIB but I might breed her again if I find a guy suitable of her default smiley ;)

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By Forest Queen, 17th January 2010 03:04:14
That is good default smiley ^)

Slayer's Revenge make sure your horses are 100 BLUP before breeding. 100 BLUP means that the horse has 20 wins, top three skills completely bolded (this means you gain no skills from comps/rides/training in the top 3 skills) and that they are over 10 years old. Your horse should be perfect for breeding once 100 BLUP is reached.

Most of us try to only breed a pair together once to keep the foal and most other foals that are foaled from that pair or even one of the horses from that pair are either sold or the earlier foals if the GP and/or skills are better with the new foals.

Mostly NIBing is about going at your own pace, with your own breeds and doing it the way you like. Some people breed foundations to foundations, 1st gens to 1st gens and continue on with this trend. Others (like bluetempest said a little earlier) don't mind mixing generations default smiley :)

Anything else you would like to know just ask away default smiley ;) This forum is for helping one another default smiley :-))

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By Rowen, 17th January 2010 03:07:34
I bought a cross bred mare in the private sales with the thought of using her to jumpstart my comps and then later as a pass horse but when I got her home and was putting her to bed for the night I realized that she was pregnant. So now I have a baby on the way and I'm not sure what I'm going to do with it. The mom is defintely inbred and so is the dad....well maybe I can use the baby once it's trained to up my EC prestige who knows.

Oh well

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By Forest Queen, 17th January 2010 03:12:14
I usually sell them for 500e or haven them default smiley *-)
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By Rowen, 17th January 2010 03:14:58
Slayer's Revenge ....... If I was just starting out NIBing I would get one Foundation Mare and Stallion and then train them to 100 BLUP. Once you feel comfortable with the process then you can get more and definitely as Forest Queen says go at your own speed there is not real race here just a race to make better NIB foals.

As far as training goes I have found that word weasel's forum has a great training program for BLUPping any horses. I am using it now and it really seems to work.

If you run into specific questions or need to find something to help out we are all here so feel free to pick our brains default smiley ;)

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By Rowen, 17th January 2010 03:20:45
I"m not sure if anyone is going to want him or her quite honestly. The mare is inbred but not terribly well skilled. I bought her to compete with and eventually use as a pass horse. I am thinking I will probably have to send the baby to safe haven. Such a waste though.

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By bluetempest, 17th January 2010 03:27:18
I need 100 BLUP Arabian males for these girls.
Saphire 350.48
Golden Butterfly
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By Retired breeder, 17th January 2010 03:27:45
Thank you everyone for your help, I am going to try the training and blup method by word weasel (it's really easy to understand!!). Will give updates on how it all goes. Hopefully will get some good NIB's out of it. I bought 5 extra foundies through the gaia stone... have I mentioned how much I love and am addicted to Howrse yet? default smiley (lol)
By Forest Queen, 17th January 2010 03:33:11
*pokes tempest* I have a stallion default smiley :p
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By Rowen, 17th January 2010 03:38:31
Oh boy does she ever hehe. I have Quite a few to choose from in my Elite Barn you can take a look and see if you find one you like.

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By Rowen, 17th January 2010 03:39:44
Forest Queen have you made it through all your foundies yet?

Can't wait to see the totals.

:P
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By Forest Queen, 17th January 2010 03:50:58
I haven't yet default smiley xd Ended half of the way through. I have a back to front page of each studs and mares though and started on the next page for the mares. Will finish up after work tomorrow.

Have any fillers for my foundies Eternal, Soaring Skies and Golden? They are in 74-89% cross country.

I also have a stallion, Noel, that has 351.06 (or .08....) that is in my 100's tab tempest.

*nudges Rowen* *wink wink*
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By Rowen, 17th January 2010 04:00:00
I don't have any competing that high yet I think the highest I go is 54% so far. I have gone from 10 competing to now having 20 competing but I have completed 4 in the last week so it isn't too bad. I have two that have under 10 comps left and pretty much the rest of my trainees are babies with a few who are finishing up getting ready to compete sprinkled in.


Totaling all of them up between my Arabs and Unis I have 42 horses in training right now. Boy I love this game!! default smiley :)

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