[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 16:29:39
I think I can, over time, realistically reach 6G - but 7G needs 128 foundies! Plus all the between gen. horses that I'd need to BLUP to get a 7G foal... That's a LOT of work, so if I want to get that far and certainly if Iwant to reach green stars, which I do, I'm going to need to utilise someone else's hard work and make it a joint effort, default smiley (lol).

Although if NIB foals keep increasing in GP as they have been so far, in the end it might not take huge amounts of generations to get to that stage. Exciting! I wonder what breed the first NIB green star will be?
By Rymskynx, 2nd December 2009 16:32:44
Please, it's not anything anyone said, I'm not offended or upset at all. I'm just apparently not any good at getting across what I mean and it generally comes out wrong, I was probably just being a bit petty anyway. In my case it's safer not to say anything at all if you know what I mean. I generally don't post on any of the forums, I'm just thrilled there's something here for NIB breeders now. It's been brilliant to see what other NIB breeders have to say, and any more interest in that can be generated it great!
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By Rymskynx, 2nd December 2009 16:33:37
Probably a Connie Inner Chorus, that what my bet is on anyway. default smiley ;)
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By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 16:35:49
Yeah, the Connies seem way out there! But I also wouldn't be surprised if it's one of the World Tour breeds, as there were hordes available for anyone wanting to try NIB with them to pick up (still plenty being sold, actually) and they'll all make perfect 351.20 GP, which is a good base...
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 16:37:47
I am biased, but i am going to say Connie too default smiley :p default smiley (lol)
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 16:38:26
And i hadnt even got as far as counting that it needs 128 foundies for 7G default smiley xd default smiley xd default smiley xd
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 16:38:46
WOW,seems thath nearly all of my horses are non in bred! default smiley :-))
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 16:45:09
Rymskynx , please stay default smiley :) See teh thing with NIB horses.. is that even when you get those higher GP horses.. from 4th gens and so on..All NIB breeders still need those 1st,2nd 3rd and so forth NIB's. Regardless of how HIgh NIB breeding may get whether into greenstars or whatnot.. Those foundations are exactly that a foundation. I use Foundie horses with all sorts of GP's. Amazingly enough there have been occasions where i bred 2 perfect gp foundies only to get a foal who was surpassed by far by a 350.02 type cross.
Perfect GP isn;t everything. It is not even the half of it. default smiley :) NIBer's need to stick together and losing an NIBer of any breed is a disappointment. default smiley :) Stick around.

Oh and kaliko heeh word of advice don;t count the numbers of horses you will have to train and blup lol. It will just make you want to cry. default smiley :)
I honestly expect connies to hit the first NIB greenstar. Simply because we do have quite a few NIBers both old aned new in the breed.

Well that and there are always connies in the auctions default smiley :) (foundies lol)
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 16:45:54
I'd say Connies, but there's plenty of Russian Don foundations around too if someone tries to catch up. default smiley :p
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 16:46:15
Oh on emore thing.. I have found myself more willing to pay a high price for a first generation foal than further generations especially if the lines are rarely used ones.
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 18:22:27
I am interested in NIB breeding for arabs and have a whole bunch I got cheap one day in the auctions waiting to be BLUPed. Any hints and tips from the masters on BLUPing NIB horses seeing as I really can't get them to win comps.
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 18:58:39
obsessed_by_dragons if you go to taybas forum she has the schedule for blupping arabs she breeds non inbreds..but basically what she told me was look at the two major skills...and dont work on them at all no rides not comps work on everything else first to get them all blacked out and then do the second best skill and black that out..and then your wins should come really quickly..it has been working for me I have been getting my howrses blupped before 10.2 years with a little more rides to do..default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 19:00:04
Is anyone doing paints?

Just a thought...Haven't heard much about paints ;P
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 19:00:30
I have never blupped a NIB Arab, only Connies, howevr Arabs and Connies have the same top 3 skills so should be smilar. The only problem with trying to BLUP foundies who are part trained is that usually someone elas has already don lots of training and my main method relies on having no training in top skills. I train dressage and speed, then do short trot rides and trot races until dressage and speed are bolded. I then finish trot races and bold trot. This gives reasonable skills, but allows you to enter the lowest possible jump comps. Use the scroll bar to try and enter between 9 and 20% as your skill gain from comps increases. When you have entered enough jump comps to max out comp gain, train jump. Follow same process for gallop, entering the lowest possible until no more gain, then train gallop. What you will now have is decent skills, but very low stamina, which lts you enter the lowest possible XC's where you should pick up most of your wins. Complete comps before training stamina, then finish off Long gallop and sloping rides to max out stamina, jump and gallop. I can be fully bolded with wins by 11 years 2 months withthis method if i start with an untouched foal.

If you are working with a foundie someone else has trained up, and most or all of the training is done, bold out all skills to get max, then enter the lowest XC and SJ it will allow. For XC you are aiming for 55-68% depending on GP of foundie and SJ 34-40%. If possible add another entry from a lesser skilled howrse to help comps run. If you are finding any really tricky try and find a fried or breeding partner or two to help you and fill the remaining 4 places with lower skilled howrses. I only ever resort to this with a really stubbirn foundie, which i wasnt able to use my method on.
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 19:12:31
I used to BLUP foundie arabians as that's where I started NIBing - I did them the same as I do for all breed foundies, get speed and dressage bold first (fully train both, do short trot rides until done and then enter show-jump comps until done), then train jump and go to cross country, then do trot and gallop comps, always choosing the lowest difficult comps you can get into and entering as many as you can if/when you find a Tub of Grease.
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 19:32:46
I am the oddball. I have had the best luck on wins with barrel racing although it does use up a heap of energy but generally speaking I only end up having to enter about a 1/3rd of the comps i would usually enter. i just recently started doing this and have had my foundies get their wins way faster.
I basicly bold out dressage and gallop then start my barrel racing since you can start that at 0%. Because of that most horses start off on a more even thing for the comps.
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 19:42:39
lively: do you typically do all breed comps or just the Connie comps?
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 19:47:43
I've never tried barrels for my NIBs! If I'm struggling I might give it a go.

I always go for breed-specific comps and maybe occasionally a low difficulty open comp, simply because if you have trained your horse right you're more likely to succeed against others of your breed (as they have the same skill set but will usually, at least in the kind of level comps that foundies can typically see first, be less trained in support skills.
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 19:56:42
Ok, I need some advise here.

http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=8393866

He's 11 years old and *sigh* fully trained.

Where should I go from here? SHould I do short rides and enter trot races? I'm thinking that that's my best bet, but I'd like some input!
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 20:07:24
Get speed and dressage bolded, then try gallop and trot comps - you might have better luck with all breed here but enter anything as long as it's the lowest he is able to see. You could also try some show jumping comps. I'd suggest (especially if he's still gaining skills from comps) lots of box time until he gets Grease, then as many comps as you can fit in. If you have any skill-boost items, it might be a good idea to use them, as he'll need every advantage you can give him. Good luck - so annoying when foundies are partly/all trained!
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 20:25:44
Thanks!

Yeah, I have a bunch of stuff I can use on him default smiley :)

I do a lot of box (5 hours) when doing short rides, so hopefully I'll get a grease.
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 20:37:59
Is anyone breeding NIB mustangs??
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 20:42:11
Honestly with the barrels.. if I am starting at 0% speed I do whatever comp is the lowest and has the most horses in it. Sometimes it takes a bit for the comps to complete but.. in all honesty it is usually easy wins with the barels provided you use the western saddles.
Any extra energy left over I generally use on Stamina training. I seem to have a nightmare of atime winning stam comps soo I decided to try something new.
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 20:57:02
natisah if I can remember there are a few NIb mustang breeders. They are however, one of the hardest to breed due to a lack of new foundies coming in.
Let me do some looking through old PM's. I have had some contact from a couple in the past where i bid on a foundie mustang by accident and ended up reselling it.
My best advice is to make use of the breeder directory if you have access to it. Quite often NIB breeders make specific breeding farms for their NIB horses. It is how I found kaliko99 and HYDEIST and to be honest .. they have been irreplaceable.
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 20:57:48
Well, I don't have that problem with Paints lol..

I don't think the Barrels would work with paints tho because they are the a breed that's really big on the barrels!
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