[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 15:45:22
HPmaniacgirl - What are you trying to do that you need help with?

IcyCamo224 - no one has posted an Chinco stats for Rivenwood to include, if you have any, post the high gp on Sunday in the format that Rivenwood gives.
By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 15:52:06
Ouranos and Gaia are from greek mythology. However, from the info I have found on them they are not horses ,but to be blunt as you can see greek mythology seems to play a rather large part in this game.

In greek Mythology Ouranos represented the sky and Gaia the earth. The beginnings of our world. ( Similar to the whole creation things in other religions whence the world came from chaos).
At any rate .. the basic is that Ouranos and Gaia were creators. Hence the reason the Ouranos and gaia foundations are considered to be NIB. Their parents are considered gods of creation.

( their is actually a whole lot more to teh OUranos gaia stuff but I am not going into detail as I am not sure if parenst would take offense)
By aml919, 5th December 2009 15:52:20
Anyone interested in foundation Barb, Morgan or Shetland? Barb is untouched foal, Morgan & Shetland are 351.20 with training started in Dressage & Speed with most long jumping rides done (if not all). PM me
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By aml919, 5th December 2009 15:54:13
Oh, the above foundies are on my Other Horses tab & should be on the first page or 2.
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By aml919, 5th December 2009 16:02:17
Question for hard core NIBers!

How do you keep track of your breeding? I use affixes to separate generations, but I also maintain an excel spreadsheet of all my horses, broken down by generation, sex, GP, and color code them so I know who is Blupped & who is still in training. I also use my breeding farms to sort out the ones already bred, ready to be bred for those horses that have all skills bolded & have 100 BLUP plus a training tab.

I feel like I spend as much time organizing my horses as I do working them. Does anyone have a system or suggestions to streamline the process that you're willing to share?

I'd love to hear them!!!!!
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By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 16:22:15
Ugg i wish i could pull my horses out of the horrid EC they are in..
By tayba, 5th December 2009 17:37:32
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I use bookmarks in FireFox as well as an excel spreadsheet to track everything. I've got so many breeds I'm working with that I simply don't have enough tabs her to sort them all out. default smiley (lol)
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By aml919, 5th December 2009 17:50:24
I hadn't thought of using bookmarks, thanks tayba!
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By Yankee Lady, 5th December 2009 19:32:06
Someone has suggested in the past that she uses a genealogical program to keep track of the horses. I intend to look into that when I have a little time.
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Sorry not on much recently -- swamped with both real world and Howrse (plus Christmas) from being gone so much these past 2 weeks. Once I get a little caught up I hope to be on daily to help as people need it. I've been doing NIB breeding since I started playing (my first mentors were NIB breeders) some 2 1/2 years ago. Keeping track of lineages can be very difficult. I do some of it by setting up naming procedures. When I have a little time I will post them here or on my EC's forum -- will let you know which but it probably won't be until after first of the year. This is extremely busy time of year for me.
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Good luck, will look in as often as I can.
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By Yankee Lady, 5th December 2009 19:42:49
Hey everyone,
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Looking through I am seeing a lot of horses for sales postings. Has Rivenwood changed the rules? If you refer back to her original postings she said:
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"What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games. Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale, but horses wanted ads are welcome. Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs"
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With all the ads the requests for help and the answers to those requests are getting lost. Please, lets get the forum back to what it was meant to be. A place for NIB breeders to meet each other, help each other, etc.
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My suggestions about ads -- use the "Horse Sales" forum under "Trade" -> "Negotiation". Just start the title with NIB or FOUNDATION, whichever is appropriate. Then all of us get used to looking there daily for our NIB/Foundation horses. That would help bring this forum back to what it was aimed to be -- an NIB breeders information exchange.
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Thank you. Yankee Lady
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By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 19:47:36
Yankee Lady.. the only reason I posted about my forums is so that people know that they are there soley for the use of NIb/FOundie sales. It was mentioned prior ( and I have encountered the same problem) that using regular trade the NIb posts quickly disappear behind the others and it's a royal pain wading through the sales page. Hence the reason why i pointed folks to my EC forum.
My apologies if that has disrupted your reading. Just trying to give information out to other NIB breeders on a place where they can more easily find what they are likely looking for. The intent was to try and help keep things clear here and open for questions.
By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 19:57:30
Hello.
I would like to begin a breeding of NIB but I do not know how to make exactly?
Help me please default smiley :) by PM if you want default smiley :-))
By Storms Ransome, 5th December 2009 20:36:59
Alright geronimolife, what do you want to know?
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By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 21:06:06
In fact I know not too much by where began.
The first parents has for parent Ouranos and gaia but their descent not thus how to know if a horse is NIB?
And also what is what we can make crossings between brothers and sisters for the future generations?
By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 21:09:29
You know a horse is NIB when every horse in the horse's ancestry appears only once on either side of their tree. Crosses between brothers and sisters would not produce a NIB foal.
By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 21:13:00
Ah OK. Then it is really complicated to dash into NIB default smiley :-))
By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 21:18:00
Who do we take into account in the generations?

Just the paternel and maternal grandparents, the parents and the horse himself ?
Or also needs it to take into account rear grandparents?
By aml919, 5th December 2009 21:25:54
geronimolife - NIB breeders consider the horses entire background right back to O & G. Your best bet if you want to become an NIB breeder is to start with foundation horses (parents are O& G) and only breed to other foundation foals. That will produce a new generation (some call it Gen 1, others Gen 2), after training the new Gen up, breed them to each other making sure that each pair has different parents.

Hope this helps & good luck if you decide to breed NIBs!
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By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 21:33:59
I am going to try and I shall mean seeing you so that you said to me if I have voucher or not. All right? default smiley :)
By aml919, 5th December 2009 21:39:36
geronimolife - not sure what you mean by that last post, but we will give you whatever help we can.
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By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 21:44:48
thank you very much default smiley :)
By rebekka, 5th December 2009 21:48:46
I plan to make few NIB post to my forum and all other NIB breeder are welcome to talk out there too.
I really like thise NIB post here but also we arent allowed to do some of posting here so there for I advice all NIB posters here if they own EC forum, state their NIB planning, trades and sales + all immortals that can be used for breeding in their EC forums and also at those ec forums that have place for it. that way we might get nice NIB breeding movement at howrse.
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By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 22:39:31
In keeping track of generations, I'm simply going to go by the alphabet. Foundations horse names start with "A", 1st generations will be "B" and so forth. At this point in time I don't see myself getting all the way to "Z" but I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

I have used Sitstay.com, which allows you to create your own tree and it is geared for animals. You can get the html code for it or have it emailed to yourself. I am not sure if there's a limit on how many generations it goes back....I need to check into that. If that doesn't work out, I may just have to make my own genetic tree on a spreadsheet as some of you others have suggested.
By Retired breeder, 5th December 2009 22:51:30
It's so great to see that finally there is a place where it's possible to find fellow NIB breeders! Because i'm lazy at the moment, i won't read all 24 pages :P But i'll add a little introduction about myself default smiley :)

I have been a NIB breeder since i started playing. I first bred hanoverians then i took a break and now i have arabians ^^ I have horses up to 4th generation and GP is over 360 in the last gen.

If there are other arabian breeders out there who have the same level horses, please let me know. I have tried to find fellow breeders but so far i haven't been very successful :P
By Retired breeder, 6th December 2009 01:16:02
Hello, it is still me default smiley :-)) default smiley :-))

What is what somebody make of the foundation of Purebred Spanish Horse here default smiley (o) ?
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