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Ok get ready for some hilarious pics then.

I have 55E lessons here but on prepod I get this

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All I can say to this is default smiley :-x
With the current tweaks here you can balance it out and still allow several very low GP horses and several blups. When the changes come that won't be doable.

The graphics very clearly tell you the level of the horses skills are too low.
Could be caused by several factors
- too many horses are being blupped at the same time. Dragging down the top skill - check to that
- too many low GP horses with matching low skills. Check to that. Low GP unis as in under 1000GP - and thus matching low skills
- need more higher GP horses with matching high skills

*rolls over dead*

Time to give it some thought and try to prepare a little before the change does come-
Asfridur
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Well I did not even dare to check on that yet but now that you mentioned it:

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With the new changes my EC is down to 36e lessons...

I'm somehow happy I did not spend a lot of money on getting it up to 60e before this change...

Meadow wise I really DO like the countdown


(there is a screenshot of the new meadows page under the cut btw)
AgentPendergast
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Yeah right now I'm scrambling around to have my EC in order for when the changes do hit x_x Kinda lame after I worked over a year to build my EC up that now it's suddenly not going to be good enough :L

(spoiler'd since it has some specific mentions on the changes)
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The sad thing is I mostly use my EC as guaranteed boxes with showers for myself and friends, so it sits mostly empty so I always have those open for use, even in the middle of the day when there's no good EC slots left (especially useful for skilling ;w; ) but with the changes it seems like we are "punished" for keeping boxes open. I don't even have 20 boxes yet lol, so already gonna get slapped for that when it rolls out unless I manage to buy up 6 more 3* boxes after upgrades are complete to my lowly 2* boxes... and yeah I don't see that happening since income on the EC is hard to make since it depends on fields 100% unless you have boxes open for public (which even then isn't gonna make a ton of income... but I'm thinking about it just so I can make a bit more money to perform necessary upgrades :| )

The tack thing though.. geeze why? Like, that makes the 1 day boarding 100% NOT worth it. If the max you can charge is 200e, the CHEAPEST tack I can offer (1*) will cost 1,500 for the full set. The CHEAPEST item is 200e, so basically I'd be lucky if they break even by only using one item. But if I don't offer them my rating is penalized... catch 22 there. Supposedly the tack will be cheaper when we are able to produce ourselves, but the cost right now really needs to be severely cut, or there's literately no possible way to justify the cost. Because, as it is right now at the cheapest set of tack & 200e bording fee, I'd need a horse to board for 8 days JUST to break even on my costs if they decide to use each piece of tack.

If the borders didn't keep the tack that'd be a different story. And honestly in RL I don't know of ANY horse borders who go "oh you bored at my place? Here's a load of free tack! Yep you can keep it when you leave too!" That makes zero sense. More like, supply your own, or some have ones you may use there included in the boarding fee (and some allow you to rent them for the day, it all depends). IMO it'd have been better to say 1* tack last for 20 days of use, and so on so yes it wears out and needs to be replaced, but no you can't have a different horse every day board and make off with your tack :L That's highway robbery man.
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I hear you Evlon.
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That's why I am not going to offer public boxes, even though I had planned to do so.
I'll have to spend a lot just to get one set of tack for each box. So my EC doors will be closed. For how long I do not know.

I don't even know what amount of fodder is needed to fully complete a high GP skiller fast. has anyone kept notes of that?


I've missed something uber obvious.....just not to me it would seem. Call me blonde

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If you do not tic the check-boxes you do not offer fodder

so do not panic just yet... I'll update you all tomorrow. So you can all see what difference it makes when you offer fodder.

like so
gigantic pic below sorry all. So first the direct link http://imgbox.com/ArKCo0fP

now the huge pic.

I hope they add some text about the fodder items. Like check to offer fodder.


Asfridur
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AgentPendergast wrote:

Well I did not even dare to check on that yet but now that you mentioned it:

No way

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did you check the boxes so you offer fodder? Surely it could not have dropped so much?
I really hope you made the same mistake I did
Asfridur
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Oh geeze, nice catch on the Food check boxes Asfridur. I hadn't caught that either. I don't know why they arn't checked by default? Since right now the default IS to offer those things to borders haha.

My lessons on here are 57e, and on there are 53e, mostly it seems to be the medows, horse level and comps saving my butt from total destruction. I'll have to see how my boxes on the prepod fair since I added the tack/food to them, but with all my 2** boxes, not well me thinks XD
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By Retired breeder, 1st October 2014 22:57:56
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Asfridur wrote:

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All I can say to this is default smiley :-x
With the current tweaks here you can balance it out and still allow several very low GP horses and several blups. When the changes come that won't be doable.

The graphics very clearly tell you the level of the horses skills are too low.
Could be caused by several factors
- too many horses are being blupped at the same time. Dragging down the top skill - check to that
- too many low GP horses with matching low skills. Check to that. Low GP unis as in under 1000GP - and thus matching low skills
- need more higher GP horses with matching high skills

*rolls over dead*

Time to give it some thought and try to prepare a little before the change does come-


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Well, I think it is just going to be harder to keep stuff at 100% prestige all the time. Is that really such a terrible thing?default smiley :) All good EC's having 60e lessons is going to be a thing of the past, but that just means that lessons will pay less. It doesn't have anything to do with your horse's morale, it just means equus will be harder to come by later.
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I'm pretty sure the default WAS that what is in stock is also offered but it seems that changed now, through it won't let me offer fodder till I reach the minimum amount for the number of boxes I have...

Which makes me wonder: should I ever drop below the amount of fodder/oat I need to feed all horses, will the remains just stay rotting in my inventory instead of being available when a boarder would need it?

"If not all boarders get this no-one will get it" even when you are only 1 item short?!

btw with being able to check the boxes for carrots and oats I still have 36e lessons, no idea if it takes longer to take effect...
AgentPendergast
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Retired breeder wrote:

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Well, I think it is just going to be harder to keep stuff at 100% prestige all the time. Is that really such a terrible thing?default smiley :) All good EC's having 60e lessons is going to be a thing of the past, but that just means that lessons will pay less. It doesn't have anything to do with your horse's morale, it just means equus will be harder to come by later.


The real issue is that the lesson price determines the skill gained by the horse for doing the lesson default smiley ;) A major point for all Skillers, some divines (fabellas for example) and those who just like to try and get the most out of their horses. And since they may only gain lesson skills until age 25 there's a definite advantage to having 60e lessons for your EC, since without the borders are taking an actual hit to their potential total skill level, which in turn effects the EC's horse skill rating & the horse owner's ability to compete.

It's really not just the equus gained via lessons (personally I dont care about that income, I care about the skill gain).
Evlon
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By Retired breeder, 2nd October 2014 00:48:59
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If you get a Plague horse, what if it already has had 5 foals, will one of them still have a chance of getting the hearitage of Plague?
By Retired breeder, 2nd October 2014 01:41:08
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You all do know that the lesson prices will only matter for like, a month, before all your hard work goes to dust? So why get worked up about the lesson prices when all you do won't matter anymore? I would get worked up about having the lessons taken away.
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You all do know that the lesson prices will only matter for like, a month, before all your hard work goes to dust? So why get worked up about the lesson prices when all you do won't matter anymore? I would get worked up about having the lessons taken away.


WHAT?!!! the lessons are getting taken away!!!! WHY ?
jorja22749
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Am I reading this correctly that the boarders can leave your EC with the Centers tack? Leaving the EC owner to replace tack over and over again?
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lizzigirl1 wrote:

Am I reading this correctly that the boarders can leave your EC with the Centers tack? Leaving the EC owner to replace tack over and over again?


you would hop not but i think so, that really sucks
jorja22749
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I hope that is not the case. I see a whole lot of closed and private centers coming in the future......

Who is going to offer tack if it can be taken away and you have to replace it day after day?? The centers can't make enough money to replace it especially now since we have to grow food for the boarders and can't grow just cash crops.

First we have to buy blankets for all our horses if we want to comp, now we will have to buy tack for all of them because who is going to offer tack if you're just giving it away to boarders.

The new rates will discourage people from even boarding. Who can afford to keep a bunch of horses in 200e centers? It will cost thousands a day to keep your horses boarded and you can't even sell horses anymore. No one has money or any ways to make any as it is. They have dried up almost all revenue sources.
lizzigirl1
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Retired breeder wrote:

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You all do know that the lesson prices will only matter for like, a month, before all your hard work goes to dust? So why get worked up about the lesson prices when all you do won't matter anymore? I would get worked up about having the lessons taken away.


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they are becoming missions, and will provide the same benefits to the borders. The only difference is the EC will also receive resources for each mission/lesson completed default smiley :) so there's still a lot of reason to make fuss about them
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I bet that the things will govern the mission skill, and earnings also.

And I am sure there is going to be some unlikable catch to the locations now, the hipe and all these changes sounded really good, and now they just seem stupid.

This game use to be fun, you could enjoy it and forget about all the real life problems, now it is no longer a stress reliever, just adds to the stress.
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katiedingo wrote:

I bet that the things will govern the mission skill, and earnings also.

And I am sure there is going to be some unlikable catch to the locations now, the hipe and all these changes sounded really good, and now they just seem stupid.

This game use to be fun, you could enjoy it and forget about all the real life problems, now it is no longer a stress reliever, just adds to the stress.


I agree I can't compate with the top stables and now this
Horse Fan
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Actually the coming system is much easier/clearer to raise the level of your EC... or to maintain it at it's current level. I think in the end, there should be a lot of happy players around.
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Exactly Evlon higher lessons makes the world of a difference when working a horse example 0,229 (43e lessons) compared to 0,244 (55e lessons) adds a lot of extra skills. And obviously the gain is even higher if the EC has 56+e lessons.

@jorja22749 and lizzie. Regarding tack
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Yes you can offer tack. It adds to the centers prestige. If you do offer tack, the boarder gets to keep the tack once they leave. So you have to buy new tack. Later we can apparently make our own.


Ok EC update from prepod from me. I'm not a happy trooper right now.
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Regarding the fodder option I didn't even notice. Some kind soul at prepod asked me why I wasn't offering fodder default smiley (lol)

I had thought that offering fodder would up the lessons a lot. But guess what it did NOT happen. The lessons went from 42e to 43e.

I went on a spending spre using some of the free passes we have while testing, and boarded the following horses there. (I still have my apparently good for nothing horses boarded. Just added the horses below)

1 Tb with 1174,90 in gallop
1 Aussie with 1046,30 in jump
1 Paso with 1019,25 in trot
1 Gypsy with 1064,59 in stamina

The Ec with fodder available (direct link to the pic http://imgbox.com/fvWs1kfv)



The overall prestige (direct link to pic http://imgbox.com/4NNxXIju)



As you'll be able to see compared to the stats I posted yesterday (on the previous page), the overall prestige has went up from 79,65% to 79,79%.
Meadows have for some odd reason dropped from yesterdays 99% to 98,87 today, even though I've rotated them every day swapping with 100% clean ones.
The Horse level has risen from 37.71 to 38.71 why is that? I wish I knew. Perhpas me working a few just one month worth has made a difference, even though I did not do any lessons. I worked like 5 tops.

The competition prestige should drop soon, since we cannot run comps on prepod.

Going to check again tomorrow with the 4 new horses added. Then go buy more tack to see if that has any impact on the prestige. I won't be able to buy much since my EC is kinda broke there because I had to buy the tack. But we'll see if adding a few more tack items helps any. It shouldn't since Confort du centre is already at 100% but we'll see.
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By Retired breeder, 2nd October 2014 11:08:19
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Asfridur wrote:

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I had thought that offering fodder would up the lessons a lot. But guess what it did NOT happen. The lessons went from 42e to 43e.




Why would you think that? default smiley :$
I believe I read in the blog that the only thing influencing lessons is the horses, and nothing else.
Not to offend you or anything but I'm just trying to understand what's going ondefault smiley ;) and I'm so scared I'll lose me 60e lessons (other server) when I read your posts :')
Because I assumed that fodder is part over the overall prestige, and in the end will have impact. Am I wrong here?
Asfridur
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Asfridur wrote:

Because I assumed that fodder is part over the overall prestige, and in the end will have impact. Am I wrong here?

Overall prestige is not supposed to have an influence on lesson price any more. Only the horses level prestige.
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By Retired breeder, 2nd October 2014 12:26:31
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Starkitty is right. I felt so dumb when I read that earlier on the test site, I know I've read that post before but it didn't sink in. default smiley (lol) It would explain why I dropped from 51 Equus to 38 Equus. My overall prestige kept me up and when that went away my 12% stabling dragged me all the way down.
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I love the new BMI default smiley :)
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