[Info] Cross breeders

By Retired breeder, 3rd April 2010 20:13:43
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Finally a post just for us cross breeders. The purpose of this topic is for cross breeders to have a place to discuss their crossbreeding programs and to share crossbreeding secrets and advice with others who may be interested in giving crossbreeding a try. Feel free to talk about your crossbreeding programs and your achievements and failures in crossbreeding.
Please remember to follow the rules of the forum and be informative and helpful. default smiley :-))

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By lovetopaint, 8th May 2020 23:56:36
I have a lovely walker x paso I use for reining default smiley (l) Anything x Selle is fun because you can climb the rankings swiftly.

Right now I am doing XC crosses-- RDH x Selle is my favorite at the moment.
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By Matthewkirbey2018, 9th May 2020 00:58:59
That sounds cool lovetopaint! Does anybody do crosses with arabians?
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By Edenm, 9th May 2020 01:26:45

Yep, cross them with fjords, they make killer western horses.
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By Matthewkirbey2018, 9th May 2020 01:45:29
Fjord or Arabian dominant?
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By RebeccaI, 9th May 2020 14:44:06
Hiya all, I am new so please be nice

I have been playing with crossbreeding, I had an awesome paint mare, crossed that to the top GP stallion which was a Selle Francis, I have then crossed that to a Tennesse Walker, and this is my foal, not sure what to put her to once I have got some show wins under her belt

https://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=63198207

thinking of something with a good gallop to round her out, any ideas?
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By midnight stargazer, 9th May 2020 15:16:35


If having even skills is your goal then my suggestion would suggest Holsteiner as their best skills are gallop and jump where as your mare's worst skills are gallop and jump so that could benefit the offspring.
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By Matthewkirbey2018, 10th May 2020 23:11:51
What does everybody cross their thoroughbred mares with?
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By Legacy Ann, 11th May 2020 17:25:02
Depends on what your goal is.
They make great gallop rosette winners when crossed with Appaloosas: Older Gallop winner

I use them quite a bit in my Gypsy Vanner projects to bring up speed and gallop, but those are crossed with two other breeds as well.

It seems like I've used TBs a lot in my projects, as most of them have some percentage of TB in their heritage. They have high public GP though, so they're pretty easy to get a hold of.
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By Retired breeder, 11th May 2020 17:25:55
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Just finished bolding this cross of mine. ShetlandxSelle. Unless some other cross beats me to it, he should be #1 in the Shetland rankings for overall skills, speed, and jumping, along with 4th in dressage.
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By Retired breeder, 12th May 2020 20:41:30
I am currently working towards CrossBreeding a Lustiano with a Lippizzaner to make a good dressage horse. Is this a good idea or is there a better combonation avaliable?default smiley (o)
By Retired breeder, 12th May 2020 21:09:11
Question:
I heard that its possible to slightly change the skillset of purebreds by each generation choosing the two foals that have the skillset closest to what you want. I also heard that its a “cap” on it to stop people from completely changing the characteristics of the breeds. Is this true, and if so, are crossbreds any different? I want to try and make a cross that has one skill that is much better than its other skills (more than on a normal horse), but don’t want to use all my aging points on it without knowing if its possible or not.
Hope this made any sense : )
By Matthewkirbey2018, 12th May 2020 22:39:18
This is my Appaloosa cross, he's #1 in gallop for the breed! PM me if you want a covering!
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By hOrsElUvEr95, 13th May 2020 00:30:29
Finished bolding this lady yesterday, Covered Mirrors is #1 in speed, #3 in gallop, and #10 in overall skills for the breed!
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By Retired breeder, 13th May 2020 19:18:22

I don't remember what Lippis specialize in, but if both are dressage (dressage/gallop/trot) based you should be good.

If I had links to the horses in question I'd be able to give you a better estimate.
By Retired breeder, 13th May 2020 21:20:06
Does anyone breed for a lot of stats in the skill the competition has to determine difficulty, or do you breed for low skill in that to enter lower difficulty competitions?
By bluegrass001, 14th May 2020 04:53:23
Check out my two TB/PH crosses, they both excel in gallop competitions and rank high in the Paint Horse breed.

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By AVH Lover, 14th May 2020 18:28:07


I usually breed for high skills in the 2nd and 3rd stats and lowest in the 1st stat for low difficulty competitions. That is the reason why my 7000 GP horse is still winning XC competitions.
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By Antique456, 15th May 2020 05:31:36
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Iv'e always been interested in this too - does anyone know?
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By Retired breeder, 15th May 2020 06:48:49
Hi,

Does anyone know of a team or player that may offer higher gp arabian covers for cross breeding (not looking to compete with purebred)? I have been looking but cannot find one that has a high enough gp for what I'm wanting.
By midnight stargazer, 15th May 2020 09:53:46
If anyone is interested, this is my crossbred stallion who will hopefully be a cutting comp monster judging by the number of wins he already has and how his skills set is. GonnaCarryThatWeight.
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By Legacy Ann, 15th May 2020 13:21:51
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In the past, players were able to flip the top skills of a purebred through ratio breeding as the GP of some horses are quite close at the 350 GP foundation level. The gallop and dressage of the 350 Chincoteague Ponies are only 2 points away for example. After a few years there was a sort of "block" implemented to prevent a dramatic change in a breed. You can only manipulate the skills so far until you can't. So likely for the same reason we can no longer breed from cross back to pure. Players were able to get huge jumps in GP by crossbreeding for a few generations.

Crossbreed doesn't have this restriction. Your foal's GP is going to be a rough average of the parents, and you can keep crossbreeding until you get the skill set you want. Midnight Pearl is a Newfoundland cross. I wanted to flip the top 3 skills of a Newfie with the bottom 3, so I crossed with a T.Walker, and did a bit of a 4-way style cross with only the two breeds. So her best skills are dressage, trot and stamina, instead of speed, gallop and jump.

You can then breed a horse that has one skill a good bit higher than the others. Jamie has a dressage GP of 1330, while the other skills are no greater than 1100. There are a few others in that Frasers project with a disproportionate skill set. I'm sure you get more extreme if you were careful about what breeds you used and so long as the GP available allows for it.

Now, whether you can ratio breed from there using siblings (to sort of mimic a purebred breeding line, I guess) to manipulate it further, I'm not too sure. With crossbreeding I just plug different breed's GP into my spreadsheet to do calculations and cross to get what I need.
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By Retired breeder, 15th May 2020 15:17:37
Thank you Legacy Anndefault smiley ^)
By AVH Lover, 16th May 2020 03:17:44
I am looking for a horse with high gp. High jump and dressage with stamina being the lowest skill. Ideally would have Freisian but no KWPN. Anyone have any cross ideas? Even multi generations.
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By lovetopaint, 16th May 2020 03:50:14

I'd do Holstie x Knab. (Holsties have jump as their first, dressage as third, and stamina as 5th.
Knabs have dressage as first, jump as third, and stamina as last.) I bred a test cross for you here. The skill order is Jump, Dressage, Gallop, Speed, Stamina, Trot.

Additionally, you could try Morgans. They have dressage as first, jump as second, stamina as 4th.

Friesians have stamina as third skill so I would HIGHLY recommend not including them in your cross. KWPN is obviously an ideal breed to include. If you don't want a KWPN cross you will sacrifice a lot of GP points.
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