[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 05:46:22
Then that is counting the foundations as a generation....sorry back to my way of counting then *ack* lol.......Oh and I noticed that higher GP'd horses have less of a GP jump to the next generation but I don't know if this fully applies to the lower GP'd NIBs as my generations aren't high enough to find out yet default smiley :-x
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 06:09:03
Yeah, I know that some count foundations as gen one and some don't count them so that can pose a problem-- which is why I went backwards.

I have noticed a small decrease already... but if Mawaris can make it in that many generations, we should still be able to do it. Top skill GP is always 90, right?

And even if it takes another generation, that's still just 64 horses total... but now I'm questioning if that's the right amount of generations? What if the Marwari I back-tracked did some uneven generations in there?! That would throw my numbers off and I never payed attention before. default smiley :$
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 06:22:58
Theoretically:

Foundations: Top Skill 90 (assuming no games)
Gen 1: Top Skill 92
Gen 2: Top Skill 94
Gen 3: Top Skill 96
Gen 4: Top Skill 98
Gen 5: Top Skill 100 = Green Star!

So...
Gen 5 = 1 horse
Gen 4 = 2 horses
Gen 3 = 4 horses
Gen 2 = 8 horses
Gen 1 = 16 horses
Foundations = 32 horses

But so far I haven't had an actual gain of 2 for my top skill, I'm averaging around 1.8. So.

Foundations: Top Skill 90 (again, no games)
Gen 1: Top Skill 91.8
Gen 2: Top Skill 93.6
Gen 3: Top Skill 95.4
Gen 4: Top Skill 97.2
Gen 5: Top Skill 99
Gen 6: Top Skill 100.8 = Green Star

Which would mean 64 horses. If it really did only gain by 1 each generation, we'd need 10 generations... Which is a grand total of 1024 foundations. @_@
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 06:25:18
ack* that would be terrible for 10 gens....hard enough to find time for my 70 some sets default smiley xd
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 06:36:13
If you've got that amount, you should be set to get the first green star. =)

Good luck!

I'm happy with my getting to be "top Paint" for awhile, even if it ends up just being a week or something.

I totally fail in auctions, someone almost always outbids me at the last second. So I end up paying exorbitant prices in the private sales... when I can afford it. default smiley (lol) But the NIB stuff is just something to keep focused on for the long haul, so that works for me. default smiley (l)
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 06:55:18
I got one mare to 100 BLUP today and bought 2 other 100 BLUP horses default smiley xd.....I need to stop buying lol...almost at 80 pairs now, but NO where near 1024 pairs......2048 horses all together....default smiley xd
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 08:18:52
*bah!* the owner of the stud that covered my mare Starz refused to sell him default smiley (li), pity...the little filly has 355 GP once games are done....oh well, tis how the rock rolls I suppose. I will just cover star with Noel....once she finishes foaling default smiley xd
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 09:18:33
No mate for this one but she is from Sasha and Noel

Sasha has 350.08 GP-420% skills
Noel has 351.06 GP-377% skills

This little filly has much better GP but slightly lower IBS which is interesting default smiley *-)
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By bluetempest, 19th January 2010 09:23:54
FQ what did you mean when you said,She had already been bolted at some point in her life so I couldn't make her a stud like I wanted too but oh well when you were talking about CelticMind?
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By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 09:29:01
The bolting I meant towards a mare I just bought now named Starz....realized I couldn't bolt her because she was prego default smiley xd

Oh well about CelticMind? Oh no I was talking about a different filly that I own who is quite young. She is out of the mare I just bought (Starz) but by an outside stallion I tried to buy off a player, they said no...never...bleh! CelticMind's parents are both havened so I will keep her default smiley ^)
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 10:28:45
FQ they are some lovely babies. my first 1st gen foals arrived today, from Kruzsader and Scarlet Rose. twin fillys named secret rose and shining rose with 354.63gp. im quit happy with my first results.

Does a foals gp get decided on by the parents gp alone or does it also consider the skills?
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 13:13:04
nice, tritty!
I am experimenting with an old mare who has hardly any skills left but is 100 BLUP - I don't have much of a control since her other foals were 'before', when gp's were lower, but I still want to see how her foal turns out...
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 13:17:14
I think I am going to start experiment w/ NIB, just to see how it turns out.
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 13:46:42
nice, sunshine 1515. what breed?
By bluetempest, 19th January 2010 15:03:02
GP of the foal depends on GP of the and their BLUP.

I also don't thik it matter if a mare has lose all her skill as long as she has 100 BLUP.
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 16:58:23
I think I have decided. My goal is to get all my little babies where I don't get that 'Because of its origins..' message.

Who are they to tell me what my babies can and cannot do?
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 18:16:20
Foundie Arab stallion w/ Shutterfly
If any of you NIB arabian breeders are interested. Found him in the p sales, 35k.
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 18:19:10
For anyone who is doing Barbs:

I've got a foundie Barb mare with 351.20 in games. I'll just give her to someone who is breeding NIB Barbs for the 500E in private sales. You MUST be actually breeding Barbs before you send me a message asking for her, though. I'm wanting to help out the breeders here, not give someone a free horse to re-sell just to get a quick buck.

Whoever's interested, message me. She'll go to the first person who asks and who I can see is definitely breeding NIB Barbs.

You can see her here:

[url=http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=7993587]
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 18:19:32
Woops, sorry. Used wrong url code.

http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=7993587
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 18:36:35
Remember, this is NOT the place to advertise sales. If somebody asks if anybody has something in particular, and you have it, you may publicly reply. However, posting unsolicited ads here isn't permitted. Please don't do it. I don't want to have to close this thread because people are not following the rules. Thank you default smiley :)
By Forest Queen, 19th January 2010 18:38:21
Welcome Sunshine default smiley ;), what breed have you decided? Get bored with GAs? default smiley :p

Thank you tritty. Is the GP of your fillies after games or before games?

Annawe I believe that could only be possible with lots of cross breeding default smiley *-)

Skills do not matter when going for GP alone, future GPs solely are developed by the parents BLUP and their GP (well supposedly but so far some low GP'd horses are making very nice foals)

gaff what do you mean you don't have much control? Is she a 1st gen or a foundation? If she is a foundation I would replace any foal you already own of hers with something of a higher GP. I would do that with CelticMind if her sire and dam weren't in the haven default smiley xd
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By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 18:47:12
Sorry Rivenwood, I just put up the link because maybe someone was interested, wasn't my howrse anyway default smiley xd Won't do it again lolz.
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 20:04:42
Random thought/question that's been percolating.....

Does the star-likeliness (just made that up -- meaning, the likelihood that a foal will have a star) not also depend on skills....and therefore, even if a parent was fully blupped, but say..started late and missing out on some skill gain from lessons etc.....would that lessen the likelihood of a green star?

OR, am I completely off the mark and stars are entirely dependent upon GP? default smiley :(
By Retired breeder, 19th January 2010 20:07:58
Line up for the computer so I'm off for a bit......
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