Me *personally,* a Mawari or Lippizan.

Selle/KWPN is pretty popular, and I've lately seen a lot of TB/Paints

Here's a list of breeds with the same top 3 skills to give you some ideas:

Selle Français: jumping, speed, dressage, stamina, gallop, trot
Australian Pony: jumping, speed, dressage, gallop, stamina, trot
Shetland: Jumping, speed, dressage, stamina, gallop, trot
Morgan: Dressage, jumping, speed, stamina, trot, gallop
KWPN: dressage, jumping, speed, gallop, trot, stamina

Thoroughbred: Gallop, speed, dressage, stamina, jumping, trot
Quarter Horse: Gallop, dressage, speed, jumping, stamina, trot
Welsh: Gallop, dressage, speed, jumping, stamina, trot
Paint Horse: Speed, dressage, gallop, stamina, jumping, trot
Purebred Spanish Horse: Speed, dressage, gallop, stamina, jumping, trot
Chincoteague Pony: speed, gallop, dressage,stamina, jumping, trot
Appaloosa: Speed, gallop, dressage, jumping, stamina, trot

Hi everyone! I´m an old player on this server, and started playing here again. I love to crossbreeding and playing on the Swedish server as well. I want some advice, I have a mare (on the Swedish server) named Spencer. She´s a 50% Tennessee Walker (dominant)/Lusitano cross. I don´t know which breed to breed her with. Her skillset is in this order: Trot, Dressage and Stamina. I want to increase the speed skill on her foal. I was thinking of breeding her with a French trotter, but aren´t any good public covers. Do you have an idea of which breed(s) I could use? We don´t have the Peruvian Paso on the Swedish server, so that´s not an option.

Does the server have standardbred? High trot, good speed and dressage.

Sorry, meant "high trot, good speed and decent dressage."

limecyanide - The Swedish server don´t have these breeds: Peruvian Paso, Standardbred, Australian Pony, Morgan and Chincoteague Pony.

Thinking of breeding my Shagya Arabian and my Irish Hunter mares, anyone have any good breed recommendations?

Well, how about a curly?



Shagya: a vanner or akhal-teke would be your usual choice, others include barb, canadian, and connemara. Crossing with a russian don would increase the jumping skill without affecting stamina and dressage too much.

Hunter: camargue, lipizzan, haflinger, possible trakehner to bring gallop up.

Thank you!

Does anyone have the time or patients to list all horse breeds and group them but their top 3's or have a link to site or something where I can find the information myself? I'm trying to do a stamina, speed, and dressage heavy build that will have a twist, hopefully it works out.
Thank you in advance

As requested, I have complied an organized list of riding horses by their top skill. Their secondary skills are listed after their breed name in the appropriate order.

Stamina


Speed


Dressage


Gallop


Trot


Jumping

I finally got to 13000 GP with this girl and her twin not using outside studs (besides making the actual crosses at first obviously)!

Follow up from this post; the second generation of my perfect 5-way split maintains the same breed list order as the parents. It does not change.

So either this is new information to the usual pattern of equal-split foals following the bottom breed of the mare, or my 5-way split isn't ACTUALLY 20% each, but instead something like 20.0001% Walker and 19.9999% everything else, but nonetheless showing as 20% "in the front."

What would you guys breed this horse with?

Nebula, friesian horse

Depends completely on your goal. What's your goal?

If you're looking to stay with the same overall skill set, Icelandic horses, Tennessee Walkers, and Hackneys have the same top 3 skills (though the order may be different).

Here's another 5-way experiment

I took two perfect 4-way splits — theTB/Standardbred/PSH/Arab stud blq,blq and the dam Mustang/QH/Brumby/Appaloosa creeper — and bred them together, accurately predicting that it would only take five of the eight breeds.

The two 1st gen offspring — see them here and here — took the following breed pattern:
Mare Breed 1
Mare Breed 2
Mare Breed 3
Mare Breed 4
Stud Breed 1

I bred those two 1st gen offspring to create this 2nd gen offspring who has maintained the same breed order.

All of this tells me that when you have a perfect 5-way split, the breed pattern does not change since this experiment can't possibly have the issue I suspected might have been in play with my prior experiment.

My next experiment will be to create two lines of 5-way splits that have the same breeds, but in different order, then breed those to see what happens.

In pursuit of my new experiment, I had to test the rules of 4-way crosses regarding breed order. This might be old news, but just in case, this is what I found:

When producing a 4-way cross from two different F1s, the breed order seems to be...

Breed 1 = Stud's 2nd breed
Breed 2 = Stud's 1st breed
Breed 3 = Dam's 2nd breed
Breed 4 = Dam's 1st breed

I found this out using Hannah's Face, a Welsh/Walker F1 and covering her with three different F1 studs. Her offspring are as follows:

Dunner's Face
Jassy's Face
Stud's Face

So, if I understand this correctly, a 4-way split will take on the stud's second breed appearance? And stay the same, if those foals are bred? Or will it pick the second breed on the list and keep alternating the end result?

Might need to take a look at my own projects and modify my strategy. I thought doing a 25% mix with no dominant breed would randomly select one of them... Now that I know there Is a way to "select" what breed will come out, I can hopefully achieve my goals without upsetting my OCD with uneven numbers.

Correct, if the breeds are all different between the two parents.

If the parents have the same breeds between the two, then it should take the dam's last listed breed. That's how it worked the past. I haven't bred any recent crosses to see if it's been flipped on its head again
Breed order on the genetics list used to be random, but I think we had a discussion about and ran some tests awhile back that showed the order may not be random anymore. I'd have to dig back through the topic to recall what we talked about

As I have posted above, this HAS NOT been the case with my perfect 5-way splits. See the horses linked in my 30th September 2020 22:06:26 post, or my "is a 5-way filler" affix, for corroboration of this. They all maintain the same breed order.

I have not yes bred two perfect 4-way splits with the same breeds together yet to see if they follow the "takes the dam's bottom breed" rule. I might try that. Or I might not waste the APs on it. Who knows. If I do wind up testing it, I will report back.

Turns out I was curious so I blew the APs.

I bred F1 (Welsh/Walker) Hannah's Face to F1 (QH/Appy) Stud several times since Stud conveniently had several additional public coverings still available. All four of the resulting 1st-gen 4-way foals — see them here(1), here(2), here(3), and here(4) — had the following breed pattern:

Breed 1 = Stud's 2nd breed (Appy)
Breed 2 = Stud's 1st breed (QH)
Breed 3 = Dam's 2nd breed (Walker)
Breed 4 = Dam's 1st breed (Welsh)

I then bred two of those foals — Stud's Face 1 and Stud's Face 4 — together to get the 2nd-gen 4-way splits. See them here and here. Their breed order was the complete opposite of their parents':

Breed 1 = Welsh
Breed 2 = Walker
Breed 3 = QH
Breed 4 = Appy

I then bred those two to produce the 3rd gen of 4-way splits which I accurately predicted would re-reverse the breed pattern back to Appy/QH/Walker/Welsh. See them here and here.

And now I'm going to stop blowing APs.

Thank you so much for your troubles! This really helps me a lot, now I can get into full planning mode deciding what breeds I want to come first.

Right now I'm on a project to find a mix that'd do well in reining and would have gallop as their top skill. Taking note of AdmYrrek's efforts, I'll have to set the breeds up so that they come out as the two ones I like most - irish hunters and marwari. The other breeds in the mix are lipizzan and trakehner, although I've noticed that a camargue x welsh could work as a side project, too.

The other western projects are barrel racing (50% brumby, 25% marwari, 25% mustang) and western pleasure (4-way split between tennessee walker, hackney, curly, and friesian), with brumby and curly as the uncommon dominant breeds because of their skillset. Neither one matches one particular competition like most of Howrse's breeds, so I've decided to modify them for the fun of it.

Anyway, I really just wanted to thank AdmYrrek for using all those aging points to provide us information on the subject. Cheers.

It looks like there is still some randomness that is happening with breed order in 4 ways. These are the only links I have at the moment, as I 'm on my phone, and it's difficult to grab links, and compare results.
The parents are:
MustangxV sire
AppxSelle dam

Their Vanner dominant foal I bred in March with a Vanner/Mustang/Appaloosa/Selle order.

I bred 2 new foals today. The first foal had a different breed order
Oct foal 1:Appy/Mustang/Vanner/Selle

Second foal had the same order as the foal bred in March:
Oct foal 2Vanner/Mustang/Appaloosa/Selle

I bred another pair that had some mixed results too. The foals didn't all have the same breed order. Dominant breed always came out the same though. I usually suggest breeding a test foal before you plan on using Tears, if you're not sure.

Your dam here actually has the breed order Selle/Appy despite being listed as an Appy, so your March foal and today's second foal both follow the Stud2/Stud1/Dam2/Dam1 breed breakdown.

Thank you for doing more tests. Your first Oct. foal is interesting since it is following the "take the dam's bottom breed" rule for its breed list, though why it is listed as a Vanner is curious. Something of a wild card.