[Info] Cross breeders

By Retired breeder, 3rd April 2010 20:13:43
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Finally a post just for us cross breeders. The purpose of this topic is for cross breeders to have a place to discuss their crossbreeding programs and to share crossbreeding secrets and advice with others who may be interested in giving crossbreeding a try. Feel free to talk about your crossbreeding programs and your achievements and failures in crossbreeding.
Please remember to follow the rules of the forum and be informative and helpful. default smiley :-))

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By foulchild, 28th December 2020 14:04:47
. What are the best breeds to cross to make an all rounder type horse? Thanks ~
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By DeathlyHeart, 28th December 2020 15:01:58
Okay guys and gals. I'm thinking about crossing some horses but I'm not really sure If it's worth it. I have a handful of high class lippizaners and the rest are lower than I'd like. But my good stallion is not high enough to bring the rest up the jump they need. I cannot find that many Lippizaners over 15,000 gen so I was debating breeding my lower Lippy group to my 17,000 gen thoroughbreds. Would this be a good idea or no? Pros cons? Thanks
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By Legacy Ann, 28th December 2020 18:23:05
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It depends on which genetic skills you want your horse to excel in. The foal's GP is roughly the average of the parents, and you can do that with each individual skill, not just overall GP. I always do calculations with potential parents to see what skills my foals could have from that pairing.

I did some calculations between your purebred, 15k GP mare and the highest purebred TB stallion in public covers, and the foal could be around:
stamina: 2689
speed: 3008
dressage: 3461
gallop: 3803
trot: 1223
jump: 2132
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By DeathlyHeart, 28th December 2020 19:38:41
Legacy Ann How would you calculate that so I can figure out who to pair with who?
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By zra, 28th December 2020 20:06:18
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When I cross breed my Arabians it’s usually to a Lustiano as the Lustiano is good at the things Arabs aren’t and vice versa.

When cross breeding I also use only purebreds to make sure there is no “hidden” breeding put in there to increase the GP.
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By Legacy Ann, 28th December 2020 21:43:41
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You just take the average of the parents' GP. It works regardless whether you're breeding two purebreds or two crossbredsdefault smiley :)
If you were curious about the stamina, for example, look at the stamina genetic of your mare and the stallion you wanted to breed her to. In this case, one horse had 2873, the other had 2505.
The formula would be (2873+2505)/2.
The foal would have around 2689 stamina GP. If that's not high enough for what you want, you'd want to find a stallion with a higher stamina GP. Howrse has a +-4 random factor, as well as an automatic gain built in that results in larger gains when you're working with lower GP, so this is a *really* rough calculation when working with lower GP horses. You're actually going to end up with something higher than your calculation.

It gets trickier when you're trying to raise multiple genetics, because crossing horses with different skill sets usually means you have to sacrifice some skills to raise others.

I have a spreadsheet set up with blank slots so I can just plug in the numbers of the parents, and the spreadsheet will do the calculations for me, but you can also just do it with pen, paper and a calculator.
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By sparklewind, 29th December 2020 16:23:24
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https://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=66592808

my newest skiller! will take the #1 spot in total skills for welsh tomorrow!
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By foulchild, 29th December 2020 23:34:50
Hello everyone, I'm wondering if there is a way to breed an "all rounder" horse? I already asked before but never really got an answer. What are the best breeds to cross to get the outcome that I'm looking for?
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By darkflameoracle, 29th December 2020 23:40:15
Hey, y'all! I was wanting to know what the second-best Speed/Dressage/Gallop breed is for crosses? I know there's a lot for Speed/Dressage/Jumping but I'm just. default smiley (o) really thinking hard about this one.
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By pinklegos, 30th December 2020 02:31:49
I keep having a weird breeding pattern with this mare in particular ...
https://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=65398187
Im breeding for Quarter ponies, she is 25% Quarter Pony but whenever I breed her with a stallion that is also 25% Quarter pony, they come out TBs? i've had it happen with two diffrent stallions now. The first one was genetically identical to her, so theres no reason it should have happened, but when I bred her with a second stallion with diffent genetic makeup, TB babies again! All horses are also 25% TB but all the stallions are QP dominant and so is the mare. She will only produce QP babies when bred to my 30% QP stallion. This is in complete contrast to all my other mares and stallions, wich are fine being paired at 25 and i get QP babies every time. What is going on? Please pm me or post here

Stallion 1
https://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=65398186
Stallion 2
https://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=66224465
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By CrimsonDax, 30th December 2020 03:46:05
Has anyone had any luck with breeding Akhal-Tekes/Argentinian Criollos to get a Criollo dominant horse who can win cutting rosette comps? I'm thinking of starting a cross-breeding project and would appreciate advice.
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By DeathlyHeart, 30th December 2020 15:38:46
Incase anyone wondered how it turned out I'm very happy with my Thoroughbred Lippizaner cross. default smiley (l)
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By RunNRide25, 31st December 2020 02:53:11
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On the previous page (7143) kind of towards the bottom there's some discussion on breeds that have opposite skill sets and whatnot. That may be a good place to start?
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By RunNRide25, 31st December 2020 02:57:44


The breeds that have those top three are (in order):
Thoroughbreds, Paints, Purebred Spanish Horses, Appaloosas, Welsh ponies, Quarter Horses, and Chincoteague ponies.
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By Legacy Ann, 31st December 2020 16:13:28

I ran a calculation between a top Criollo and top Teke, and it looks like you'd have better cutting skills if you stick with a purebred Criollo. A 50/50 Criollo x Teke cross would produce a foal with about:
stamina: 4440
speed: 3328.5
dressage: 3872

You'd improve the stamina by about 20 points, but the dressage would decrease by nearly 200.
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By pinklegos, 1st January 2021 04:46:31
@CrimsonDax it would make sense to do that cross for Teke Dominant horses, but criollo dominant is stronger on it's own. I have QPs that aren't at rosette level yet but close and are 21xxx skillers with 169xx-169xxGp, if you are intrested in working with them you can PM me. Stamina, dressage, and speed all over 4000. Cutting rosettes are super hard to get into in my experience. the QPs highest dominance is 25% so as long as your mare has above 25% in a breed it will swing to the mare's genetics (unless they share a common breed)
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By darkflameoracle, 1st January 2021 19:23:53


CHINCOTEAGUES. I knew I was missing one! Thanks a bunch. default smiley (l)
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By CrimsonDax, 3rd January 2021 22:07:06
Thank you for your advice, Legacy Ann and pinklegos!
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By Retired breeder, 4th January 2021 21:10:10
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Hi all! I wanted to share a new cross I'm proud of - my goal was to raise stamina in a Selle while preserving dressage and jumping as top skills for cross country comps, and I ended up with this mare.

She's 25% each of Selle, Vanner, Arabian, and Akhal-Teke. Her stamina isn't quite high enough to win rosettes (she's got one so far!) but she wins pretty much every selle-specific XC comp she's entered in so I'm still pretty happy.
By Retired breeder, 6th January 2021 03:52:38
Congrats!


On a more stressful note; I am currently mapping out a project that is quite big.
I am making a list of all of in game horse breeds' skills and going to breed the lowest skill to the highest in an attempt to even out the skills and eventually make them higher.

So far I have the Draft's skills mapped out and which breeds to use along with a few of the ponies'. This is going to be a very big, very fun project!
By soccerdude11, 7th January 2021 01:05:55
Hello! In my 13 years on howrse I've never really looked into strategically cross-breeding but I found myself reading through this forum for a couple hours yesterday and I think I've decided this is my next project haha

I'm interested in cross-breeding specifically for good western competitors. I've never really bred western-specialized horses ever, and other than the prix breeds for those competitions, I am not familiar with the skill sets that come with those comps/horses. I recently bought a Criollo and a Lipizzan to start familiarizing myself with western training/comps, but I don't want to spend resources on buying top GP horses for those comps, and was wondering if I could cross-breed to get GP up instead. Does anyone have good 50/50 crosses I can start experimenting with?

And specifically, are there any breeds that I could cross with TBs to get a good western comp horse?
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By Retired breeder, 7th January 2021 02:06:51
I've had pretty good luck with selles and Fjords in western. I also have a tab called 'skillers' that you can take a look at. I don't have a need for them since I'm starting my own project
By soccerdude11, 8th January 2021 05:24:29


I'll have to try that, thanks for the recommendation! I know Fjords are typically good for barrel racing comps, would the Selle x Fjord mix also be a barrel racing horse?
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By pinklegos, 8th January 2021 16:17:41
https://smallpdf.com/shared#st=9ff29b07-5d2d-4582-901e-f657d73fde89&fn=Top+three.xlsx&ct=1610122362644&tl=share-document&rf=link

I made a chart of all horses and their top three skills- usefull for trying to figure out what breeds to cross with! Competiton stats are also in there for a reference. Just paste link in browser.
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By Retired breeder, 8th January 2021 19:40:14
@soccerdude11, I don't know much about Western comps but I'd guess that a Selle x Fjord cross would be better in cutting comps than barrels, since that cross would have speed, stamina and dressage as its top skills which match the skillset used in cutting.

I don't know how Fjords usually do in barrels, but I'd guess that a Selle x Fjord mix would perform a little worse than a purebred Fjord since the Selle will bring down gallop a bit compared to a purebred Fjord.
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