[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 02:25:36
@ Rivenwood. My bad, I tend to miss the fine print lol. I'll game her and post on next Sunday.

WHY invest in that many foundies all at once? Pick em up and train em as you go along, or else you'll go nuts before you even get a strong first generation. Also, it really is okay to use outside studs or buy other foals, as long as you know and trust the breeder.
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 02:59:53
Score! Just bought 6 Foundation TB's, all with Timers from a quitting player, plaus some other random foals. default smiley :-))
By Misabel, 9th February 2010 03:20:08
Nice one, Sunshine! Are those the ones named after early TBs? I looked at those kids, but sat on my hands....I'm blupping too many right now! Glad to see another NIB breeder got them. default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 03:35:05
With the old GP gain, yes, 10 generations would have probably been the very least. But with the gains I've been seeing, you shouldn't need 10. I've got it broken down on page 93 most thoroughly.

In my own stock at this point, I've been seeing an increase of about 1.8 in top stat per generation... but, of course, I'm not that far along so it's =mostly= theoretical at this point.

Assume 90 for base GP (it can, of course be 90.2 with proper games, but it's kind of a moot point).
91.8 for top stat foundation x foundation (I've got a couple who are actually almost +2 which would be ideal and mean one less generation)
93.6 for top stat next generation (assuming, again 1.8 gain - my best is currently 93.5)
95.4 (I am not to this point to confirm, it is -entirely- theoretical after this point)
97.2
99
100.8 = greenstar (generation 7, which would be 64 foundations to get to this point)

Total GP is not as important. GP of top skill is important. I have seen greenstars with 380 GP and (same breed) 390 who have no greenstar.
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 03:55:02
I *do* have to mention, though, there seems to be a decent amount of randomness built into the GP. All of these foals came from the same parents:
(Total GP / GP of Top Skill)
361.57 / 93.06
361.44 / 93.50
362.83 / 92.75
363.72 / 93.32
362.29 / 93.32

If I had just went with the first foal from the breeding, it possibly would have taken things backwards a little. Unfortunately, there's a fine line between what we'd like to do and what we have time/resources to do... and that's what makes NIBing so hard!
By Forest Queen, 9th February 2010 04:13:20
Do you mean 64 foundations all together or 64 pairs default smiley (o). I was thinking you meant 64 pairs which would put you at 128 total foundation (less than what I currently own thankfully).

Perhaps that is where people got 120 from, they were doubling the count thinking you meant pairs
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By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 04:26:14
No, I meant -total- foundation numbers... Also! For the "fun" of it I went back checking my oldest foundation cross to see what sort of Total / Skill GP we used to get...

353.76 / 90.92
353.85 / 90.86

Quite a bit lower (and, again, with a bit of the random). But, honestly... that was only a little over a year ago!

But I definitely meant that many foundations total, not that many pairs...

And, as mentioned, it's somewhat theoretical at this point. I did just get a foundation x foundation cross who will have 91.96 in highest skill after games, so we seem to be getting closer and closer to that "2" I'd love to see... but we really don't know what's going to happen.

Farther generations could have less gain, they could change what sort of gain happens... it's all a huge question mark until someone makes that first green star.
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 04:42:38
Ok I got really excited for a moment and then realized you were talking strict 1st generation...I have a 5th gen NIB with over 92 in gallop and thought I was going to blow everyone's minds...haha oh well. I'm excited anyway.
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 05:05:41
lol!
Yes, talking strict foundation to foundation crosses. It gets hard to compare anything beyond that. (People even disagree what to call the generations, let alone trying to talk GP gain)

But you can still be excited! default smiley :)

After all, if it doesn't excite you any more... well, I dunno.
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 16:50:19
Equesta is now old enough to breed but no matter what i do i can not get her health back up.
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 16:51:56
Haha I play another horse game online as well but the genetics in this game are particularly exciting to the point I've been neglecting my other internet barn...oops...

I've been naming generations based on the guide on Obsidianmoon's NIB forums, though my personal logic would name them otherwise (1st generation would actually be considered foundation in my head.) So I have to be careful when I'm talking about them. Of course if everyone else is operating on a different system who knows if anyone is actually "correct."
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 17:52:43
I'd say a foundie is a foundie and their offspring is 1st gen... that's the way I've always thought about it, even when I wasn't NIBing. Who am I to know though?!
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 17:56:06
Just finished blupping my World Tour Brumby mare.default smiley :-))default smiley (y)default smiley (y) Now I need to find a NIB Brumby stallion for her to breed to. Anybody have a good one?
http://www.howrse.com/elevage/chevaux/cheval?id=7847065
By Forest Queen, 9th February 2010 18:08:28
Star Bar, I completely agree with you. I consider foundations to be the first generation of the horses, and their foals to be 2nd. But for the sake of this forum I call my 2nd gens 1st gens. I don't put my foals generation in their affix, just if it is a mare or stud lol
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By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 18:27:33
If you have put any IH purebreds, nib's in teh auctions, PM me please. TY
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 18:50:35
Haha yeah Forest Queen...I guess we can adapt for the sake of non-confusion.

Okay--this is probably second nature for most of you but ever since a few days ago when default smiley (a) Jeteska sent me some good information default smiley ;) and default smiley (b) I read something in this thread about examining the other show entries in a class...I've had much better success in getting wins! Today the luck really must be with me because my 21 year old foundation mare racked up THREE wins...she had two to her name yesterday, haha. Who said old horses can't BLUP? Oh wait...that was me.

Ok, so she's still only at 81, but she's closer than she was 24 hours ago. Renewed hope! Hooray!
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 19:56:43
STBKR--- Same here! Thats why I read here everyday...if you keep an open mind you can always learn something.
I havent gotten that many wins on a single horse but I am getting more than I was.

Sunshine1515-wtg.. those finds are great!
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 19:58:52
Ahh! She just earned another, and my oldest stallion (one of her sons) also picked one up. One step further down the BLUP trail...
Placed some advertising for my stallions of age (and positive BLUP) on the NIB forums so hopefully my little ranch will get some attention soon.

Keep up the good work everyone!
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2010 21:18:19
Still a bad case of thirditis. Nutty seems to be going on strike.default smiley (lol) Anyone got the vaccine for seconditis and thirditis yet? Although, I did give him some spurs....default smiley (o)
By westwindangel, 9th February 2010 22:58:51
Anybody know of a connemara NIB breeder? If you do please PM me default smiley (o)
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By Retired breeder, 10th February 2010 00:46:13
What is the purpose of nib breeding? PM with the answer, please. I"m really curious, I've ben for quite a while.
Thanks!
skyyiedefault smiley ;)
By Retired breeder, 10th February 2010 02:12:38
Star Bar K Ranch: You're very welcome for the PM and I'm glad it really is working for you. =) Like I mentioned, I have no real experience with Quarter Horses on the game, just had a theory and I'm glad it seems to be working.
By Retired breeder, 10th February 2010 02:14:07
westwindangel, why? I sometimes breed NIB connies, but I only have a 100 BLUP foundation at the moment.
By Forest Queen, 10th February 2010 03:08:28
skyyie, the purpose is just the same as any other breeding program. To be the best that there can be. Just we don't cross related horses to one another like other players do with the current greenstars
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By Retired breeder, 10th February 2010 03:44:16
@Jeteska--actually forwarded your message on as well since other people were asking me about my sudden success!

Two lovely NIB foals on the way from my mares out of ChelseyS's wonderful NIB Quarter horse stallion...hoping for some brilliant new GPs. The foals will both be fifth generation, which is a bit higher than what most people are breeding right now...but still NIB! I will definitely be seeking some foundation stallions after this round of foals though to maintain some newer lines to cross.
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