[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 30th January 2010 23:02:44
LongTail...yes it would be......because the two foals share a father, therefore, they're related..therefore they're inbred....

The non-brain-hurting way is to think of it as looking at pedigree and seeing that the same horse doesn't show up anywhere on both sides of the lineage....

Well..maybe that's confusing too...default smiley (o)

You'd need the following for a NIB line...

Stallion A bred to Mare A...producing foal B

Stallion C bred to Mare C...producing foal D

Foal D bred to Foal B produces a NIB offspring.....

Anyone else? default smiley :o
By Rowen, 30th January 2010 23:22:01
I agree Wild North that is exactly how I do my breeding program each mare has a stallion who is matched to her and is her partner and they only breed with each other. That's how I make sure my lines are NIB otherwise I would get confused.

Firefly got 4 more wins so now she just needs 3 more.

My younger 1G are doing so much better than my olders. The olders seem to have bottomed out and I think I am actually going to have to trick them out to get them to get anymore wins. My youngers are getting wins even in their trot and gallop comps and they are not strong in those comps.

It definitely works to do only dressage and speed training and trot rides and then start entering them so they get the lowest skilled comps they can do.

Rowen
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By Rowen, 30th January 2010 23:39:37
Tikki's baby just started competing can't wait to see how he does
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By LongTail, 31st January 2010 00:26:58
oohhhhh, now I understand! Thanks! Oh well, my horses won't be NIB, but at least they won't breed witht heir own father/mother, wich I think is a little strange, even for me, having foals share a father.
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By LongTail, 31st January 2010 00:29:17
Well, i'll get another stally along witht he 2 mares. It's going to cost me 6 passes to get hem all, oh well. I'll leave an update on how the foals do int ehir first comps, hopefully they'll be almost as good as my horse now (he does pretty well, considering he's half as good as the horses he competes aginst default smiley :d)
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By tahnee, 31st January 2010 00:46:04
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Hope 2G
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Australian Pony
Current GP (foals without completed games do not count):357.18
Link to the Horse's Page: http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=9063567
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By Retired breeder, 31st January 2010 01:54:57
How far back does the pedigree go? If the howrse has say a great-great grandfather showing up twice in his/her lineage, is he/she still an NIB howrse?
By Retired breeder, 31st January 2010 02:49:05
-flails- Where's a ufo when I need it? XD I just need one aging point. I want my pass horse's filly born like now so I can kill off my pass horse!

I need to bolt on or two of my foundie mares to have mates of my own for everyone. Actually...I need more arabs, period.
By Retired breeder, 31st January 2010 03:09:49
gallopreallyfar-- No, that howrse would not be NIB. All the way back through the pedigree there can be no overlap. All the foundation howrses used along the way must be different.
By Retired breeder, 31st January 2010 04:10:52
Who breeds NIB Fresians?
By Retired breeder, 31st January 2010 05:48:46
I do Mystique73 but I also have a NIB breeding directory in my forum where you can view others who also breed Friesians.
By Forest Queen, 31st January 2010 07:55:37
Rowen great job on all those wins default smiley :). Can't wait to see how Mistikki does default smiley ^).

My poor 1Gs do poorly unless I am very very careful with where I put them. I got a couple of wins on CelticMind today and another win on Luxurious One. 7 and 11 wins respectively now. default smiley xd

One more win for Rainbow_Pegasus and 2 for Beauty. 3 for Strawberry Lark which is awesome. Once Beauty is done she can breed to Torka (sold his original paired mate to Rowen so he will be covering a lower GPd mare than himself *shrugs*) and Strawberry Lark is destined for either Moonless or Golden. Haven't decided which yet default smiley :p

SoulReaper if you still need an aging point let me know default smiley (y)

LongTail welcome to the world of NIBing default smiley (h)
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By Retired breeder, 31st January 2010 14:16:45
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Wired Tiger F1 of Elmfield NIB
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Barb
Current GP (foals without completed games do not count): 355.66
Link to the Horse's Page: http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=9193379
By Retired breeder, 31st January 2010 15:28:11
I haven't seen anyone else put up NIB Donkey stats, so I'm gonna put up mine.



My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Penn - 307.86
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Donkey
Current GP (foals without completed games do not count): 307.86
Link to the Horse's Page: http://www.howrse.com/elevage/chevaux/cheval?id=9264867
By Forest Queen, 31st January 2010 15:54:04
Yay! *Jumps up and down* Rainbow_Pegasus is 100 BLUP default smiley :-)), well once she wakes up tomorrow anyway default smiley :p

Alright, I feel accomplished. Off to work I go default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 31st January 2010 17:31:24
I also breed NIB Fresians...not as actively as some but I think Something With Fire (latest working with) has a fairly high GP.
By Retired breeder, 31st January 2010 20:22:16
I've got my main foundie stallion's dressage bolded at 82.28, not sure if that is good or not. He seems to be resistent to wins, he has 6 thirds, 2 seconds, and 4 firsts so far. A may need to slap a bonus on him. What would be the best comp for a PSH foundie? Off to work some inbred horses, maybe get some wins on my immortal blupping mare.....
By Retired breeder, 31st January 2010 21:26:53
Pintar5 -- I always aim to have dressage bolded early on...it seems to help wins -- well, present state of affairs notwithstanding...default smiley (lol)..big monster action out and about today. default smiley :$

I think whatever PSH's are *least* good at would, ironically, be somewhere to look for wins. They are low-skill in that area and that's where you might find it easier -- it's counter-intuitive, I know....default smiley (o) Still, he looks to have a pretty good record so far.

Seconditis runs rampant through the herd today.....

I have a Friesian filler if anyone needs a hand -- just let me know -- she's a pass horse I bought, catastrophically trained - but paying her way nicely in seconds, thirds and fourths....default smiley :-))
By Retired breeder, 31st January 2010 22:04:08
Yay! *cheers* first foundie stallion's skills about to break 300 at 7 years 10 months and only dressage bolded. I usually try him in jumping or XC, not racing. Got him in a few more, hope they might run soon.
By Retired breeder, 1st February 2010 02:36:09
Thanks to the tub of grease, my Friesian Stallion, Aacht, finished up his competition wins today!

Another horse down, some 13 more horses to go, haha.
By Retired breeder, 1st February 2010 02:55:36
Adrian has ten wins, yay! Halfway there. -crosses fingers- By the end of this week I need them.

Ok, got a p. stone...who to put it on? My foundie uni mare? Eh, I'll decide later. -tucks it away-

Congrats, Alassie!
By Retired breeder, 1st February 2010 05:52:21
I will NIB arabian horses, but I'm having trouble choosing a second breed. I sort of want a pony. I have enough passes to get another gaia foal.

If I look at what types of horses and ponies I can get without making one from the stone, will I still have my passes? I need to find someone here who breeds the second kind I'll get because i would only have a mare of that one.
By Retired breeder, 1st February 2010 16:49:39
Hello all,
How's everyone doing with their competitions? I'm still struggling with Hanan, one of my foundation mares. I did not work her on the weekend, I know a lot of people only get on then so wanted to avoid the crowd. Competed with her last week and today but could not get any wins. I'm never buying a fully (or almost fully) trained horse again.
Started working with a NIB first (second to some) generation mare, the other day she got beaten by a horse with 716 wins in show jumping. I'm beginning to think that it would be best if my foals did not have any inborn skills at all, that way *maybe* they could avoid the big boys. default smiley (o)
By Retired breeder, 1st February 2010 16:59:23
My foundation Paint stallion, All Chromed Out, is 100% BLUP with all 6 skills bolded. He is available for covers, just send me a pm.

If you have/raise non-inbred horses, be sure to stop by tigrelilly's forum and list your horse(s). This includes foundation horses (those with Gaia and Ouranos as parents. It helps players find others within each breed.
By nlriver, 1st February 2010 20:56:27
Ugh, spent a few aging points on gaming my Barbs. Don't know exactly what I'm going to do with them, but we'll see. I have done absolutely nothing with my Morgans today as still trying to age a few pass horses.

Once again, I am also going to offer up my EC to anyone who needs a box. I have ten available to any NIBer which should probably be discussed through PM.

Now off to hunt through the sales for a reasonably priced IH booster as I am still trying to get 24e lessons in my EC.
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