[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By spanishroses4u, 21st November 2009 02:02:07
I used to say that my horses were NIB, because I thought it meant that I had not bred them with each other in my breeding farm. Now, of course, I know that was incorrect labeling. I also can no longer even say that I don't breed them back with parents or brothers and sisters.

I may sell some of my foundies, but usually I just hold on to all my horses until pass age now since no one besides 0GP breeders ever want our horses, and then I'd rather just deal with them directly.

I think even before you can see the genetics, you can see the breeds in the horse, but I'm not sure.
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By Rymskynx, 21st November 2009 02:23:45
Thank goodness, this topic was an awesome idea!! I'm an NIB breeder of mainly Newfie ponies. And I'm always looking for foundie Newfies and Irish Hunters. If anyone else breeds NIB Newfies and is looking for stallions to breed to I have several, all listed on my player presentation.

Rymskynx
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By Retired breeder, 21st November 2009 03:49:37
Hi! I'm an NIB Connemara breeder, but lately I haven't had the time to wok with them default smiley :$
By Retired breeder, 21st November 2009 06:24:39
I breed NIB Brumbies and Welshes, though I am only up to my 2nd generation due to lack of studs...
By prettybones, 21st November 2009 09:27:42
ive been leaving my mustangs, they are still pretty much iuntouched, because i wanted to try a NIB project with them but didnt really know how to go about it. is there anyone out there who breeds NIB mustangs who could help me out?
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By rebekka, 21st November 2009 10:16:43
all seeking NIB studs of breeds I have are welcome to contact me by message. I generally do not set them official stud list so contacting is needed. I have myself seen goodstallions at races and contacted owners cause its way too good stallion not to try get breeding to default smiley ;)
Im also very picky myself I want stallions be 100 blup of corse but they have to have all disiblines bolded for me to want use them. I also look at pedigree I most often choose one with clear ouranus-gaia parents over something I barely can look at cause several pages need to be opened.
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By vag111, 21st November 2009 17:57:57
I'm so excited! Sahara now has 8 wins! Only 12 left to go. He's sort of old, but I'm still being hopeful. Worst case scenario I can ues a Philosopher's Stone on his and use a Zeus's Lightning Bolt sohe can breed. If anyone has either of those items or a Nyx Pack am willing to buy them or trade them for a different BM item. Be sure to check his progress and my other NIB/Foundation Brumbies.

Sahara
Shock Wave
Pacific Vortex (Still in games at the moment)
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By sollly, 21st November 2009 23:33:38
Not sure how the aussie ponies are going but MarLea (myself and tahnee0 have achieved 358.42 after play
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By Retired breeder, 21st November 2009 23:35:54
I bred one NIB Aussie foal, 356.66 GP after games. No longer breeding them, though. I feel a bit sad that I'm not working on anything NIB anymore, now that this topic is around!
By Retired breeder, 21st November 2009 23:54:19
I breed NIB hanoverians. My highest 1st gen GP so far is 354.81, my highest 2nd gen is 358.73 but I will be achieving higher than that soon since the mother of that horse did not have particularly outstanding GP for a 1st gen. I'm reeaaally slow at blupping though, winning comps with foundies is tough...
By casbar, 22nd November 2009 02:45:22
Winning comps with foundies is pretty easy, as long as you follow this method. I use it for TBs, I haven't used it for any other breeds though.
First you train completely in dressage and speed. then when that has been done enter galloping comps. Now that you can pick specific races try and find some EC's that have the lowest gallops you can enter ( I have made a list of ECs that have gallop races with skills set to either 20 or 25%), enter races until you get no more skill gain. Then start gallop training and also do short rides.
Once gallop, dressage and speed is bolded start training in jumps, until the jump skills reaches 9. Then enter as many jump comps as you can in the 9-12% skill level. Once that is done do jump training and do some rides. Don't start stamina yet!!!
When you have finished doing jumps training, you can enter cross country. By this stage your foundie may only have 5 wins, but don't fear. You will make a killing in the cross country and the trot races. The aim is to have jump, and dressage as high as you can, while keeping stamina low, this way you can enter low skilled x country comps, and the high level of dressage and jump gives you an edge against the other horses entering into the cross country comps. The lowest cross country comps start at 6% skills (I think) Enter the lowest ones you can, and don't do any stamina training until you have maxed out the skill gain from cross country. Then move onto trot comps.
the lowest trot races need 0 skills in trot. The first trot race you enter is basically a gimme, most of the horses entering 0 skill trot races are either dying or have very low skills, so it should be pretty easy. After that first race you need to train until your skills in trot =1 then enter what you can, until no more skill gain from comps.
By this stage your foundie should have close to, if not have 20 wins. if not enter more cross country races (as long as your stamina skills are around 20 at most). Then finish your training.

As I mentioned this is what I do for my TB foundies, and the only time I find it hard to BLUP them is if someone one else has started training them and not followed this method.

Let me know if this is similar to what others do, and with different breeds.
Hope it helps.
casbar
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By casbar, 22nd November 2009 02:50:47
I forgot to mention:
I always use a chronos timer on my horses, and they are generally blupped by 10 years, I just need to finish training. Generally I have all skills bolded by about 11-12 years. I do two lessons everyday too, to get extra skills.
This is an example of a couple of foundies I trained this way, note the high number of cross country and trot wins.
http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=7504795
http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=7086455

(sorry can't figure out how to do the link right now....)default smiley :-))
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By Retired breeder, 22nd November 2009 11:22:41
Well this is my highest Shetland so far.
[url=http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=8608012[/url]
By Retired breeder, 22nd November 2009 14:25:08
here is the entry for her


My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Star Kiss
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Shetland
Current GP (foals without completed games do not count):361.09
Link to the Horse's Page: [url=http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=8608012[/url]
By Retired breeder, 22nd November 2009 14:25:52
I'm not sure why my url aren't working. I used the one from the topicdefault smiley *-)
By Retired breeder, 22nd November 2009 14:39:01
I have a Palomino Morgan 355+ GP 2nd Generation I don't know what to do with him default smiley :(
By Retired breeder, 22nd November 2009 18:03:31
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Midas
Horse's Breed: Hanoverian
Current GP: 365.15
Link to the Horse's Page: click here
By abc123cde, 22nd November 2009 18:25:04
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Sally
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Friesian [Purebred]
Current GP (foals without completed games do not count): 352.85
Link to the Horse's Page: Here She Is!
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By abc123cde, 22nd November 2009 18:30:29
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Cocoa Pebbles
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Brumby [Purebred]
Current GP (foals without completed games do not count): 354.66
Link to the Horse's Page: Here is gorgeous!
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By abc123cde, 22nd November 2009 18:32:41
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: ✿Marco
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Marwari [Purebred]
Current GP (foals without completed games do not count): 350.33
Link to the Horse's Page: Marco is here!
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By abc123cde, 22nd November 2009 18:34:46
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Chocolate Baby
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Marwari [Purebred]
Current GP (foals without completed games do not count): 352.86
Link to the Horse's Page: Here he is!!!
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By Retired breeder, 22nd November 2009 19:01:17
default smiley (l)My NIB GP Entrydefault smiley (l)

Horse's Name: By Royal Appointment

Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Welsh Pony

Current GP (foals without completed games do not count): 360.43

Link to the Horse's Page:

http://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=7487379

Thank you

trottietruedefault smiley (y)default smiley ^)
By Retired breeder, 22nd November 2009 19:59:18
My NIB GP Entry
Horses Name: Dancer
Horses breed: Shetland
Current GP 361.68
Link to horses page
http://www.howrse.com/elevage/chevaux/cheval?id=8540712

Thank you.
By Retired breeder, 22nd November 2009 20:02:23
This is a fantastic idea, thanks RivenWood default smiley :)

I deal specifically in NIB Connemaras, Morgans, Mustangs, and Paint Horses, though I do have a few side projects for Chincoteagues, Shetlands, and Friesians.

-DM
By Retired breeder, 22nd November 2009 20:06:57
Oops, ROFL! I totally forgot i was on Cammi's computer...
SO *coughs* Repeats,

This is a fantastic idea, thanks RivenWood

I deal specifically in NIB Connemaras, Morgans, Mustangs, and Paint Horses, though I do have a few side projects for Chincoteagues, Shetlands, and Friesians. If anyone needs any help or is interested in buying NIBs, just message me, NOT my roommate, Cammi/snakechaarmer. Ahaha default smiley :d

-DM
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