[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By HYDEIST, 6th August 2021 21:43:12
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A succession of poorly made changes designed to quick-fix problems for... new players! *facepalm* And if old players got a bit done over by those changes, it doesn't matter, right? Not like we propped up the game!

Bitter Hyde is bitter. Still.

And I know the clock is ticking for the Finns. Eventually they'll be out-comped by everything too. I already have to use more bonuses than I used to.
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By Nyghtraven, 7th August 2021 14:48:00
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Yeah trying to find foundie RDH's is like trying to find diamond hen's teeth. I've managed to snag a few but not nearly enough for a solid breeding project yet. so just letting them sit till I can hopefully get more along the way.

Also been having a really hard time finding any new foundie Freisians which is depressing. XD
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By eruraven, 7th August 2021 15:14:20
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Oberon usually has foundies of rarer breeds. Mainly OG but there are RG as well if you sift through them.
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By HYDEIST, 7th August 2021 18:55:26
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Be prepared to pay through the nose for rare breeds. Most were snatched up by hoarders for cheap to resell later, as it tends to go. And now they're super rare, they're asking lots of money.

I don't ever presume to tell anyone what to do with their game cash (or what they should charge when selling horses), but just be aware that a lot of the ones in the sales are being sold at a massive mark up to what they originally were purchased for. I got in enough auction wars with hoarders, collectors and flippers back in the day. default smiley (lol)
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By LilyHorse, 12th August 2021 03:43:25
Hello! I have a male Camargue horse whose parents are Ouranos and Gaia. I'm planning on selling him for cheap, and was curious if anyone here who breeds NIB Camargue's would be interested?


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very sorry if this isn't allowed
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By Sherrie300, 12th August 2021 05:54:49
I have a few original foundies (350 GP) in my collection "~Beautiful~Creatures~" tab I can work on Blupping them and if anyone wants a covering, or a foal (if you have a stud you'd like to use, I don't think I have any qualifying pairs but I'm not sure). Message me if anyone is interested.default smiley :)

I knew there were a lot of other collectors to but my collection isn't that big (I don't think lol)

Please do keep in mind NON of the horses in that tab are for sale. I'm offering coverings, or to breed my horse and sell you the foal(s).
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By Twinjodi, 18th August 2021 00:47:02
https://www.howrse.com/centre/forum/?id=407892 NIB Forum I turned my EC forum into!

Please contact me for a link to the NIB International Discord! For those that don't want to join, maybe at least check out my NIB Breeder List so I can get you added for other people in the community to possibly connect with! default smiley :d default smiley :d
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By pony lover972, 22nd August 2021 16:50:58
do people actually still NIB breed? my g0d i thought that wasn't being done anymore
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By pony lover972, 22nd August 2021 16:52:24
it's so hard to find 350GP foundies these days im telling you ya pay big buck for those
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By Nyghtraven, 22nd August 2021 19:11:04
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Yes, people still do NIB. I much prefer it to the bloodlines that are inbred six ways from sunday because of people being lazy and wanting to push numbers faster. It's a much more enjoyable challenge for me to keep non inbred pedigrees.

As for finding foundies, its a matter of patience, luck, and persistence. I've picked up quite a few 350 and RG foundies for pretty reasonable prices but I spend a lot of time skimming the sales.
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By Asfridur, 23rd August 2021 08:37:42
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Indeed we do still NIB. The old GP's are extremely hard to BLUP, impossible really unless you can get fillers for all other spots.
The RG's are a little easier, but still very challenging due to the crazy high GP's on the non inbreds.

Guess we're just a little crazy here default smiley ^)
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By Monkeyinacage, 23rd August 2021 12:33:57
What is the easiest way to find NIBs in the sales? All I can think about right now is to track all the relatives, but that seems very tiring for most horses, with all the generations following it... Any advice? Thanks!
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By Twinjodi, 24th August 2021 23:05:08
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There really is no quick way to check if a horse is NIB or not. The easiest way is to look for foundation foals as their Skill will be zero. But otherwise you can just track back. Some NIBs will also have a unique affix that may have NIB in it.

Howrse is not catered to NIB breeders at all so I'm sure there will never be an EASY or QUICK way to search for NIB as it would take a lot of coding.
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By Retired breeder, 25th August 2021 03:14:47
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Hello! Just wanted to put it out there that I'm happy to offer coverings/accept coverings and sell the foals back for my two new gp foundie fjords. I don't see Fjords listed in the rankings list, so I'm not sure if anyone would be interested, but send me a PM if you are! (:
Their GP is 6530.00 (Jorunn and Owl King in Fantasy Fjords tab).
Still BLUPing them, but I could likely spend some aging points and work on that if I knew someone was interested.
By oʀcɪɴus, 25th August 2021 03:43:06
Interested in starting NIB breeding- attempting to keep up with top GP/skills is just too expensive and feels superficial. What are some ways that you all search for OG/NIB foals in the sales?

Thanks! default smiley (l)
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By Asfridur, 25th August 2021 06:53:58


Like Twinjodi said, there is sadly no easy way to spot them



Unless we have new breeds, when they are released there are typically loads in sales.
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By Twinjodi, 25th August 2021 22:57:36
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The deciding factor is if you would like to start from scratch (foundations) or get just foals that are NIB. In which case I refer to my prior post ^_^

Regarding foundations - depending on the breed you are interested in, as well as if it's a horse, draft, donkey, and also a unicorn is your starting point. Then in that breed you have decide if you want a REAL challenge (which might take lots of money/passes) in obtaining original foundations with less that 351.2 GP as there are a limited quantity, OR you can get a Rolling gain foundation default smiley :) Rolling gain foundations are really any foundation horse (ouranusxgaia pairing) (+/- divine pairing) that is after the 351.2 GP. There are some breeds that are easier to find that are from an event like Barb, French Trotter, Finnish, Holsteiner, Newfoundland Pony, and Belgian Pony to name a few that had a set GP range for the event. Other breeds were released sporadically through new players and/or divines and the current GP for those (and what to look under) would be to direct yourself to the breed directory of your choice and add up their skills to see what GP to look under.

I will message you with our discord as well for any other help you might need default smiley :)
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By Asfridur, 26th August 2021 05:59:06
I'm beginning to wonder if the Welsh are just as rare as the Dons. Just my luck default smiley (lol) when I decided to NIB the RG ones default smiley (lol)
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By Redghost, 26th August 2021 06:15:36
Do starter horses with 6,558 count as a NIB horse?
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By Twinjodi, 26th August 2021 06:25:57
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Oh no! Lol. Sorry Asfridur!

All horses that are foundations or Ouranus x Gaia direct off spring are non in bred.
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By Redghost, 26th August 2021 06:30:59
Would it be considered inbred if you bred the two starters together? I mean seeing as they were twins.
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By Asfridur, 26th August 2021 07:12:14

If the same horse can be found in the family tree more than once, the horse is inbred.

Example:

Here is a first generation Drum horse
As you can see the parents are Alto and Allegra. The parents of Alto and Allegra are Ouranos and Gaya.
All horses on howrse are descendants of Ouranos and Gaya. They are the only pair that are allowed to appear in a NIB bred horse family tree more than once.

This horse in inbred
Reason: The parents of Sugar Spots: Tiny Feather and Shiny Hoof have the same parents.
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By Asfridur, 26th August 2021 07:14:14
and it's of course Gaia not Gaya default smiley (lol)
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By Asfridur, 26th August 2021 07:19:52
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Howrse can we get a new breed please, one with good skillset so I can hoard a lot of a NIB project please default smiley (l)

...and NO not uni donkeys - could be fun of course, but their bound to cost a ton to acquire *sulks*
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By LovePony, 26th August 2021 07:43:32
Hi. I am interested in NIB breeding but I dont understand what does the in-breeding means? Can somebody tell me what is in-breeding?
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