I totally miss what you're after and quite honestly if you agree or disagree that's your prerogative. I didn't respond to you and have no clue what you're after.

and another reminder to players that if you want to discuss things not on this server - you need to use a spoiler banner.

It is explained in the header post for this topic.

DoodleButt said:



I wonder how many players you represent?

There are a lot of different viewpoints, and I love it that in this debate we seem to be really hearing from each other and finding things we can agree on.

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And because they're pixels...

The spoiler is the eye icon at the top of the message.

Also, Rowan, it may not be that many. I’ll admit years ago when I first started playing it was for the horses (yes I’ve deleted many accounts in my time lol). But since then I’ve come to love the economy and the lessons that can be learned buying and selling horses, figuring out how to make money on the game. Obviously I’ve gotten to be okay at it. But there’s always more to learn. Anyway I just thought I’d throw into this argument the fact that the economy is extremely important to my gameplay. p.s. I don’t think anything in this message is a spoiler. I don’t think so anyway lol

Put [spoiler*] at the start and [/spoiler*] at the end, just remove the *'s

Actually, one of the reasons I've stayed on here when I might not have at times is because I've been doing a degree with a business studies unit. So yeah, the buying and selling is an interesting exercise for me. As is observing the customer service... But I can't deny I'm also on here fulfilling a few horse-owning dreams! And I don't like to treat them as just pixels lol.

Haha that’s understandable. I share your interest in business so that’s where that but comes in, i suppose, but I have a horse in real life so that’s probably why I don’t think about the horses themselves very often on here.

It's almost like there aren't real life horses needing somebody to fight for their cause

If anybody is interested, I've created a spreadsheet to track the amount of players on the game daily. Ill be updating it between 6pm and 12am PST each day.
Feel free to leave comments and/or PMs.

Link to the spreadsheet.

Vaermina I could not possibly agree more. Very well stated.

Just finished my first year in my Animal Welfare + Conservation degree and i have to disagree with your opinion. Respectfully.

[spoiler]The reason I'm, personally, so against the removal of the pass horse system is not because I enjoy killing horses or any nonsense, nor because I think it's a good fit for the game. In theory the practise of getting passes from horses dying of old age works because it imagines a player has only a few horses, loves them all and is upset when their horse reaches old age and finally dies. In this circumstance it makes perfect sense to me that they should be given a pass for the reason it says in your office when you get one, to help you continue your game. However in reality it doesn't really work like that because of course, people want passes, and this being a way to get them; they speed it up and raise and kill horses (via underfeeding and overworking) who they couldn't care less about apart from their purpose of getting a pass. I believe the intent of the feature originally was not to be a source of regular pass income but to be a sort of reimbursement or compensation to players who put a lot of time into the game raising and loving their horse who then, inevitably, got old and died. Of course that's not how the feature is used now and there is a whole economy built on the backbones of trading these horses where they have practically no value apart from the pass they give. At first glance, replacing the pass horse system with another system that gives free passes to a max of 30 a month seems like a good idea but, you forget, the entire economy is driven by pass horses. The Howrse world revolves around them and I do believe would collapse if they were removed.
Let's forget for a moment the initial intent behind the system and the economical importance of pass horses; the fact is that there has been a way in the game to get many passes free of charge for quite some time now, it cannot be removed lest there be riots and players expect, and are now dependant on getting their monthly free passes. Changing the way players get these free passes comes with problems, there will always be people who dislike change and will prefer the old system, just as there are people who dislike the current system. The new system would need to be reflective of the amount of hard work put into earning various amounts of passes and would need to FULLY AND UTTERLY live up to the potential passes, BMIs and equus one could have gotten under the previous system. As pass horses are such an important and high value commodity on howrse, this is NOT as simple as introducing a new system to earn 30 passes, such as the changes currently live on a few versions nor is it as horrific as entirely replacing free passes with diamonds and then further reducing the potential amount that could be earnt.

I'm just going to call myself thorough and introduce the bar chart from my little spreadsheet on my personal income of passes last month (I've removed the amount purchased as it's not relevant, this is also on another server)

Last month, I had an income of 72 free passes. Pass horses killed by me directly accounted for 16 of these passes. However, pass horse related sales, which are sales that would not have happened if it wasn't for the current pass horse system (these are horses such as pregnant unicorns aged 30 who sold for a pass) account for 23 passes. This adds up to me getting roughly 39 passes a month from pass horses themselves and this doesn't include BMIs gotten after I went past 10 killed nor does it include the millions of equus I got from selling them. So, at face value under a system where 30 free passes can be gotten each month I would lose 10 passes, millions of equus and a few bmis each month. HOWEVER, every single other category, accounting for around another 32 passes come from sales of various types which rely on other people having a surplus of passes to spend. With the removal of pass horses, other people would have significantly less passes lying around and I would most likely only get a sliver of the current amount I get now. Now, it may surprise some people reading this but 72 passes isn't actually enough to fund my game by itself, I shudder to think what my poor purse would look like if I wouldn't quit immediately when this change is implemented. I really can't see any way forward in the game where they remove pass horses. And yes, somebody who barely plays the game and currently gets a free pass a year would come off a lot better- but these are not the people who fund Howrse nor are they the people who should be rewarded while those who put lots of blood, sweat, tears and money into this game get the short end of the stick.
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I disagree with this new changes.RESPECTFULLY.

Starynight, not sure what part of what I posted you are disagreeing with?

The whole argument of the 'welfare' of pixels.

I find it ironic that howrse just implemented an "ambassador" program under the guise of being interested in what the players think.

The players tell howrse what they think every single day by their actions and their voices.

For example: the co-management system

Howrse develops a system where players that need to be away can have someone look after their game.

Players take this system and find ways to use it to improve their game. Giving teammates co-management to be able to fill for their teams comps, training new members, farming for each other, ect.

The hubris / ego problem: Howrse sees this and says "the players are cheating and abusing a system for what WE wanted it to be for"

What they should do is see this as the PLAYERS telling howrse what they want. A way to access each others accounts without running afoul of the multi-accounting provisions. They want a stronger team basis for the game.

The players tell howrse what would make this game better every single day, yet they rarely listen and I have no reason to believe that the ambassador program will make any difference in that dynamic.