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It could also be something that is only happening on smaller servers first, the way that only a few servers got the pass horse changes. The smaller servers seem to be Owlient's involuntary guinea pigs for major economic changes.
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You may be right, nothing is confirmed here yet. Also I have noticed that info from UK server mentions Equus and passes fees and on polish server we only got info about Equus fees. I asked if the updates will be the same on every version and why there is this difference in fees but no answer yet. Is there anyone from other servers who also got info about updates?
I just really hope that we won't be that guinea pigs you mentioned :x
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DyMistress wrote:

Has anyone heard of a server being shut down and the players being offered the possibility of moving their accounts on another server? I saw a player talking about it somewhere and I'm wondering whether it actually happened.


No. I find it unlikely it would happen because it would cause a lot of disruption on the server they were moved to if there was a sudden influx of accounts with all their horses, eqqus, passes etc. intact. It would cause all sorts of upset from collectors being unhappy their collections have devalued (e.g. 100 use RCs would suddenly have up to 200 copies on the server) to GP breeders potentially having a new team with a higher top GP suddenly dropped on them.
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Gandalf wrote:

By the way did anyone ever get to play those two games set up while under revamping? I did not.default smiley (o) Oh well. This is more fun.


You mean these games?

https://www.howrse.com/maintenance#console-actions

They are fun little time wasters but you don't get anything for playing them. If they aren't showing, make sure your Flash is up to date.
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Yeah, i forgot to do that in a topic which says spoiler zone. Can tell how active i am on the forums these days. You guys should be allowed to edit it for us, see it all the time and would save a lot of space, as we wouldn't need to post it all again.

What i posted on the UK forum, slightly edited since then though.

I do not like the commission fee. Why should players who are not cheating the system have to pay extra just to do something that is a major part of the game. Besides it's not going to solve the problem anyway, they will just find a way around it or ignore it completely. Most people that scam the system will have the money/passes/whatever to just carry on and ignore it. So all your doing is punishing the rest of us.

I like the idea of a community piggy bank to unlock events though, that sounds interesting.

A common pot for teams- I don't bother with teams, so ithis doesn't affect me. However i can see why this is a good idea.

Constant availability of competitions to blup your horses- Thank the heavens, this was needed years ago on here.

The ability to update the most divine skills with the new passes- Hmmmmm, why? Skills on Divines are pointless in my opinion.

Equestrian centers on the mobile version (available in 2019)- Wait, you mean they aren't on it now. Huh, i just use my browser on my tablet/phone anyway, as i know where everything is already and can't be bothered to learn it all again on a fancy app.

More options for co-management mode (available in 2019)- Don't care, don't use it.

And onto the main issue. The new monetary system, now if i understand it correctly this will change.........very little actually.

So now it's
10 Diamonds = One Pass
One Pass= 330k Equus+ (Last i looked on UK anyway.)
You can use these passes like thus:
Exchanges in the Black Market for whatever items you want. One pass for a Bolt, Ga, two passes for Timer, three for a Stone and so on. So even though the Posiedons Pack which is not worth 3 passes, it costs 3 passes.......and that is that.
Pegasus Account- 3 passes per month, 15 for 6 months. VIP- 10 passes per month, 50 for 6 months.
Horse Sales- Minimum of one pass, maximum of 20 (depends on value of horse)

Then with this change: (Is this correct??)
Bye Diamonds, hello "new passes"
One Pass= 100 "New Passes" (So i have 22 passes, i will then have 2,200 "new passes")
Lord knows how much the equus value will turn out to be, but theoretically 100 "new passes" would be about the same as one old pass- 330k+ (Going off the 330k value, one new pass would be about 3k, but you need a certain amount together to use them. Also going off UK.)

You can use these "new passes" like thus:

Exchanges in the Black Market for whatever items you want. 100 passes for a Bolt, Ga, 200 passes for Timer, 300 for a Stone and so on. (Just going off current prices for examples- might of course change.)
So therefore the Posiedons Pack which is not worth 300 "new passes" (three old passes), could cost less BUT not less than 200 "new passes" (two old passes.) So it would basically be a two and half old passes or 250 "new passes" (Kinda makes sense in that regard, but we have lived with it for years, i don't think we need a complete overhaul because we aren't buying it.)

Pegasus Account- 300 passes per month, 1,500 for 6 months. VIP- 1,000 passes per month, 5,000 for 6 months. (Changes nothing, just converts it to new money.)
Horse Sales- So a one pass horse will cost 100 "new passes" and a 20 pass horse would cost 2,000 "new passes" It's the same value, isn't it? Just allows us to add 10/20/50/80/etc new passes instead of a whole hundred of them. So you could get a horse for just 10 "new passes", if it's not worth the whole hundred.

So one pass now, currently costs £1.20. 100 Passes will also cost £1.20....... (Though theoretically you could buy more with the 100, beacuse of the way it can be broke down. With a pass now i can only buy one one pass BMI or one one pass horse. But with the hundred i could buy one one pass BMI or a selection of BMI at smaller prices like 20/40/80 passes, or one one pass horse or several horses at several different "pass" prices. I.e- One horse at 10 passes, one at 5, one at 50....and so on.

Is this correct?? Because if i am understanding this right.......i don't much see the point of overhauling the whole lot, just to get inbetween prices on stuff.)

(Apart from the possible in between values of horses and BMI, like 250 new passes for a P.Pack or a skiller for 1,550 new passes or a slightly better skiller for 1,600 new passes instead of jumping up a whole 100 new passes, you can jump it by a little bit instead, the maximum stays the same i think. But the minimum goes down to 1/100th of a pass now.
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Ugh, did it again. Will get there honest.

Yeah, i forgot to do that in a topic which says spoiler zone. Can tell how active i am on the forums these days. You guys should be allowed to edit it for us, see it all the time and would save a lot of space, as we wouldn't need to post it all again.

What i posted on the UK forum, slightly edited since then though.

I do not like the commission fee. Why should players who are not cheating the system have to pay extra just to do something that is a major part of the game. Besides it's not going to solve the problem anyway, they will just find a way around it or ignore it completely. Most people that scam the system will have the money/passes/whatever to just carry on and ignore it. So all your doing is punishing the rest of us.

I like the idea of a community piggy bank to unlock events though, that sounds interesting.

A common pot for teams- I don't bother with teams, so ithis doesn't affect me. However i can see why this is a good idea.

Constant availability of competitions to blup your horses- Thank the heavens, this was needed years ago on here.

The ability to update the most divine skills with the new passes- Hmmmmm, why? Skills on Divines are pointless in my opinion.

Equestrian centers on the mobile version (available in 2019)- Wait, you mean they aren't on it now. Huh, i just use my browser on my tablet/phone anyway, as i know where everything is already and can't be bothered to learn it all again on a fancy app.

More options for co-management mode (available in 2019)- Don't care, don't use it.

And onto the main issue. The new monetary system, now if i understand it correctly this will change.........very little actually.

So now it's
10 Diamonds = One Pass
One Pass= 330k Equus+ (Last i looked on UK anyway.)
You can use these passes like thus:
Exchanges in the Black Market for whatever items you want. One pass for a Bolt, Ga, two passes for Timer, three for a Stone and so on. So even though the Posiedons Pack which is not worth 3 passes, it costs 3 passes.......and that is that.
Pegasus Account- 3 passes per month, 15 for 6 months. VIP- 10 passes per month, 50 for 6 months.
Horse Sales- Minimum of one pass, maximum of 20 (depends on value of horse)

Then with this change: (Is this correct??)
Bye Diamonds, hello "new passes"
One Pass= 100 "New Passes" (So i have 22 passes, i will then have 2,200 "new passes")
Lord knows how much the equus value will turn out to be, but theoretically 100 "new passes" would be about the same as one old pass- 330k+ (Going off the 330k value, one new pass would be about 3k, but you need a certain amount together to use them. Also going off UK.)

You can use these "new passes" like thus:

Exchanges in the Black Market for whatever items you want. 100 passes for a Bolt, Ga, 200 passes for Timer, 300 for a Stone and so on. (Just going off current prices for examples- might of course change.)
So therefore the Posiedons Pack which is not worth 300 "new passes" (three old passes), could cost less BUT not less than 200 "new passes" (two old passes.) So it would basically be a two and half old passes or 250 "new passes" (Kinda makes sense in that regard, but we have lived with it for years, i don't think we need a complete overhaul because we aren't buying it.)

Pegasus Account- 300 passes per month, 1,500 for 6 months. VIP- 1,000 passes per month, 5,000 for 6 months. (Changes nothing, just converts it to new money.)
Horse Sales- So a one pass horse will cost 100 "new passes" and a 20 pass horse would cost 2,000 "new passes" It's the same value, isn't it? Just allows us to add 10/20/50/80/etc new passes instead of a whole hundred of them. So you could get a horse for just 10 "new passes", if it's not worth the whole hundred.

So one pass now, currently costs £1.20. 100 Passes will also cost £1.20....... (Though theoretically you could buy more with the 100, beacuse of the way it can be broke down. With a pass now i can only buy one one pass BMI or one one pass horse. But with the hundred i could buy one one pass BMI or a selection of BMI at smaller prices like 20/40/80 passes, or one one pass horse or several horses at several different "pass" prices. I.e- One horse at 10 passes, one at 5, one at 50....and so on.

Is this correct?? Because if i am understanding this right.......i don't much see the point of overhauling the whole lot, just to get inbetween prices on stuff.)

(Apart from the possible in between values of horses and BMI, like 250 new passes for a P.Pack or a skiller for 1,550 new passes or a slightly better skiller for 1,600 new passes instead of jumping up a whole 100 new passes, you can jump it by a little bit instead, the maximum stays the same i think. But the minimum goes down to 1/100th of a pass now.
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My opinion -

Personally I only really dislike this "commission tax" of horse sales, but only because we haven't really been told how much it will be. I play on another site called Flight Rising and they have a roughly 1-3% fee on stuff you sell, which is barely noticeable and is kinda added to add a bit more of a realistic touch to it. If it was those kind of numbers I wouldn't really mind it, but as we haven't been told I will hold my judgement.

I won't really mind the pass and diamond change assuming nothing gets more expensive when converted to the original pricing.
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I think Owilent is shooting itself in its foot so to speak, if they actually implement a change of currency value and tack on a commission fee for sales. People won't buy horses and if they do, it'll only be the super cheap ones. There is literally no way any of this is a good idea. I hope Owilent realizes this before any changes come to this server.
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how do I get it to work?
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with the new Commission tax you have to pay to play??
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I would tell howrse how much of a bad idea this is. But nobody listens anyways...default smiley (d)
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Will Virgo be in the sales this month, like Cancer and Gemini were in June and July?


Virgo was in the sales last month
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I think it's good passes are changing as not every BMI currently available at 1 pass is worth that. It will only work however if BMI prices are changed properly, charging 100 passes for a Golden Apple would be fine but 100 for a Water of Youth at the same time is not. Also it would be disappointing if certain BMI went up in price because of this change. For example if only some things like a Golden Apple were to go up to say 200 passes rather than 100.

With diamonds leaving will this mean pass horses will give 100 new passes rather than them giving out diamonds in the future? I hope so. If this is the case then that's fine. I just want pass horses to keep existing and to keep their value.

I do disagree with the sales fee though I don't know what it will be. The current vet fee is pointless and anyone can get around it already by simply lowering their equus amount before breeding. How is a sales fee supposed to stop cheaters? In all games people who cheat find ways around systems to take advantage of them and I'm sure the same will happen with sale fees. Things should be done too prevent sales being a cheating method in the first place. The 10 day wait before being able to sell a horse back to someone you bought it from is a good example of that. Invest resources into finding and penalizing cheaters rather than punishing the majority of players for doing nothing wrong.
Also with the fees will better horses or ones with specific items have a higher fee? Will the fee be higher depending on the price the horse is listed for? I don't think fees for sales would be a good idea if this were the case.
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Being on the UK, I read up on everything, only thing that gets a thumbs down from me is the commission fee on sales. Love team pot idea, love the comps idea not sure on the currency idea, if it’s to be able to adjust the prices for BMI that are priced the same as other BMI but have less value then I think I like it, if it’s just an excuse to put the prices up or adjust the prices for the passes bought then no I don’t like it. EC on mobile doesn’t really bother me, co management idea, depends what is is.

With the commission fee - com’on its a game not the real world where we all pay taxes on everything we buy!

In all seriousness who pays the fee, the seller or buyer or both? Also what will happen to teams? Most teams sell skillers for 8 passes will there be a commission fee added to that too? It means teams will have to adjust their prices.

I also have a question about the team pot thing, from what I’m hearing it seems like a good idea, but will the team admins be able to decide what goes into the team pot, because I wonder, if it’s the choice of the seller, if some people on the teams may just select no and keep it to themselves. I also wonder how it will affect teams as I think possibly some team member could remove the affix and then the sales would not go into there, so it could cause more arguments if there’s certain people on teams who like to look out for themselves. I try not to have anyone like that on my team as it grinds on me, but I can see where some teams may have issues.

Though it is a good help for me. For my team, the producer and seller gets to sell for themselves mid week, so it won’t interfe with that as the profits would go back to them, but it helps with prix tearing as in my team we share between members who help tear and members who blup. I’m glad it has been recognised that some teams share their prix tearing skiller preps and they are making it easier.

I hope that they consider adding items, APs etc in there too, it would be super helpful. For example I might be busy that week so I put 2000 AP into the pot for anyone on the team to use, or 30 MA for example or since I have free tears I can put in tears to help the team out.
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Hoping with the team pot thing that items given can only be used on TEAM horses. Not one person nyxing all their own horses for sales
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Hoping with the team pot thing that items given can only be used on TEAM horses. Not one person nyxing all their own horses for sales


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Well it says TEAM pot, not Personal pot. Maybe we will have an option to limit how many resources are used by each user from said pot?
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Then, as 1 pass is 100 passes, a pass horse will give you 100 passes? Personally I think 100 passes to equal one pass is WAAAY too much, instead, why not just 1 pass equals 10? Then I don't have all these big ugly numbers. default smiley xd Although it is only a matter of preference where that is concerned. Although I am very curious on this commission tax. I suppose the 100 pass equals one pass change makes it easier to take a percentage. Although I don't really like the idea of a tax, after all, to make things fair to players it shouldn't be that much, and in that case it wouldn't affect cheaters much either, so I'd rather not have it at all.
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Don't know if this should be in a spoiler or not but I put it in just in case. I would like to put in another suggestion regarding the one made by the ambassadors for making more blupping comps available - comp stomping is indeed a problem and it's pretty frustrating to me if I want to enter, say, a hose with 3k skills into a competition and there is a horse in there that was registered with 3-6k skills but then was trained to 8k. The availability of competitions should be more accurate to the skill set of the horse, I think, and I don't find it unfair to kick or deal a penalty or some other form of regulation for a horse if it's skill set gets too high...after all, in real life no one would like to have a Triple Crown winner smashing everyone in a local competition for just easy wins. It would make it a lot easier to BLUP, I think.
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By Retired breeder, 6th September 2018 07:52:58
My sister got the chance to do the testing!!! If you want to know click the spoiler banner!

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There will be a cake baking challenge, the more cakes you make the better things you will get.At the end of the event there will be a golden horseshoe draw (horseshoes collected from baking cakes) and a few lucky players will get one of the new divines cupcake, or fairy cake!! Also if you bake 50 cakes you can get one of the beautiful new divines!!!!default smiley :-))
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I think it's good passes are changing as not every BMI currently available at 1 pass is worth that. It will only work however if BMI prices are changed properly, charging 100 passes for a Golden Apple would be fine but 100 for a Water of Youth at the same time is not. Also it would be disappointing if certain BMI went up in price because of this change. For example if only some things like a Golden Apple were to go up to say 200 passes rather than 100.

With diamonds leaving will this mean pass horses will give 100 new passes rather than them giving out diamonds in the future? I hope so. If this is the case then that's fine. I just want pass horses to keep existing and to keep their value.

I do disagree with the sales fee though I don't know what it will be. The current vet fee is pointless and anyone can get around it already by simply lowering their equus amount before breeding. How is a sales fee supposed to stop cheaters? In all games people who cheat find ways around systems to take advantage of them and I'm sure the same will happen with sale fees. Things should be done too prevent sales being a cheating method in the first place. The 10 day wait before being able to sell a horse back to someone you bought it from is a good example of that. Invest resources into finding and penalizing cheaters rather than punishing the majority of players for doing nothing wrong.
Also with the fees will better horses or ones with specific items have a higher fee? Will the fee be higher depending on the price the horse is listed for? I don't think fees for sales would be a good idea if this were the case.


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I think CailOw or another admin specified that a pass horse will now give 100 new passes rather than the 1 old pass. It's probably around page 7-9 in the ambassadors topic.
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