Make it Win Rosettes on horses you bred rather than a single horse. And also only ones that you currently own, ones that have been sold should not count.

Also I thought I saw somewhere on preprod that if you already had the trophy you wouldn't lose it? Perhaps I'm wrong about that.

They will remove your Trophy. It's GONE.
What they will not remove is the Points you got for it Instead of removing points (what are they going to do? Take away your Divine horse...?). You take no point loss, but are now one/two/nine Trophies behind in your counter.

Nope, you lose the trophy (not the points for the prizes, but you do lose the trophy itself)

Yeah that was my suggestion. It would make it more achievable, but it should also start from 0 rather than handing all the rosettes already won to the respective players.

Or they could just add this as an additional trophy... there's 0 reason why they can't be 2 separate trophies!

Some are implicating teams just make all kinds of passes. Which some do, however there is a lot of passes going into breeding them. I’m not on any teams that have profited off sales. We are infact in the 10s of 1000s in the negative on one team I am on.

I spend money to breed horses to sell to other players, I have yet to profit off someone else’s hard work from skilling the horse they purchased.
And we do it because we KNOW how expensive it is to upkeep, but it makes other people happy and helps other people win rosettes, place in prix, obtain the fountain and obtain trophies. The buyers don’t have to take care of all their horses daily to keep aging points, they don’t have to breed and blup daily to keep up.

Teams ARE regular players. That’s what I’m getting at. Ask to join a top team to have a horse bred, ask for help. Make your own team, breed more. Etc, top teams don’t just happen overnight. It’s that’s the logic we are supposed to have- I’d be plying by myself envying the top Nokota team for being better. Instead we created a team, recruited players- and now I RESPECT everything they’ve done and where they are. Including the prices they sell their horses at because I know 1st hand how expensive it is.

Unless you have started from the bottom with a team, and worked your way to the top- competing without other teams, you really have no clue how costly it is to maintain. You’re not just competing with the teams in the same breed, it is also over all teams. Especially if there are similar genetics or you are able to win rosettes in more than one competition.

Point being, if this is solely about a trophy- then talk about making another trophy, but once you start bringing teams into this- now you’re being unfair. Just pointing that out. And that’s MY point. I’m not arguing about the fact they should keep currently trophy and just add a new one, I’m making a statement about players being unfair towards teams over what howrse is deciding they may change. Players on teams have nothing to do with that.

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Respectfully, that shouldn't justify effectively taking credit for the time and investment someone has put into a skiller. You bred the horse, yes, but the buyer was the one who invested a lot of time and resources into it, therefore they deserve the credit for that horse.

I've been on multiple prix teams, I know exactly how expensive it is to keep it going, especially when another team is on your tail, but that's just part of what comes with the territory. It's why it is advised that you don't join a team until you have the resources to meet the demands that are expected.

I personally made over 1000 gp with my solo walker project in 2 months, which was roughly 86 blups in total, many of which have already picked up rosettes, despite being 1500+ behind the top team. It can be done, the thing though? I've got tons of resources, tears p for the next 51 days, 400+ tears when that runs out. My point? Teams aren't the only ones who put in tons of time and resources into their lines, there are us solo breeders who take pride in what we have built up on our own. If I was to ever geld and sell some of my top, I certainly wouldn't expect to take credit for the work that the buyer put into it, even with the time and resources I have put into my line so far.

I care so much because I am someone that has the resources to breed my own rosette horses, but there are many out there that don't, they are the players that are really going to struggle when they have to breed their own to try and get some rosettes. Being able to pick up a teared foal and train it for rosettes gave those players a chance to work towards that trophy, but now they will either have to give up on it or spend tons on tears in order to do it.

I don’t have even 1/100 of the resources you say you have and I’m not speaking poorly or against those who do, or teams etc. I’m not complaining about people who have more trophies than me. If I wanted them bad enough I’d work harder to obtain them. You stated “it can be done” which proves many points in the flip side of this change. So based on that alone- if it can be done, no reason to drag teams down. (Not directed at you but anyone who has or will) I can’t almost positively say the 1000 rosette trophy- total rosettes or bred by me- I will probably never even obtain. So it’s not like I’m here just trying to make myself feel better. As much as you think it’s unfair- I think it’s fair. That trophy isn’t the problem, nor is it unfair. Please look at all the trophies that players can not obtain that are already here. Maybe in doing so, you can see the other side.

Also note: some skillers are sold with BMIs already added and skilled out.

to trophies as well. I’ve said it before, I’ve said it again, where you go in this game is entirely up to you. If you want the trophy, join a team, breed and blup a lot. But don’t be upset at people who are already able to obtain that, be upset with howrse for making the change

I see it this way - why put in the work to skill a foal when it could be sold to someone else, skilled, then bring in rosettes? I'd be the one getting the credit regardless of who trained it if I am the breeder. How is that fair to the buyer? They literally bought something off me, yet I am still the one benefitting from it.

Yes, some are sold as skillers, but the price reflects that fact. In both cases, the buyer is the one who loses out.

That makes sense but going forward anyone looking to get the trophy is going to know they can't buy a horse to get it. So if someone knows this and still buys a horse, what's the issue? You both benefit, buyer gets 'win X rosettes,' seller gets the other one. As long as it's made clear a bought horse doesn't count then it doesn't seem unfair.

But the point is that is hasn't been made clear - because Howrse has randomly decided to change it!

If the trophy had been this from the start, I wouldn't have cared. But now, Howrse have not only decided to change the requirements but actually back date all the rosettes won by players aiming for that trophy and give them to the breeder instead!

That is what's unfair!

If they deleted the current trophy, added the new one, and everyone starts from 0 I also wouldn't care. It's the unfairness of all my hard work being taken away and given to someone else because 'Howrse has decided' that is heartbreaking...

- The trophy for
'getting this number of rosettes with a horse'
is being changed to
'get this number of rosettes with a horse you have bred'

Meaning, that all of the rosettes people win with other peoples horses, like buying a skiller form a team, will go towards the breeder. So say I buy a horse, skill it myself, and win a thousand rosettes with it, the person who bred the horse, not me, will get the rosettes for their own trophy.

So they did nothing but sell the horse, I bought it, used all my items on it, but THEY get the credit for ALL of the rosettes it has won. Not like I've.. done that in the last week.. or anything..

The trophy that IS staying, is 'win this number of rosettes'. So the rosettes you win with someone else's horse will count towards the overall rosettes trophy but not the ones for winning however many rosettes with a singular horse. Those rosettes are credited to the breeder.

Howrse are changing the 'win x rosettes with one horse' trophy to 'win x rosettes with one horse you have bred.' They are going to apply rosettes won in the past to this new trophy.

So all the rosettes you have ever won with horses you bought are now going to be handed to the breeder of that horse. You will lose any progress made on that trophy up until now and only horses you have bred will count. You will also lose the trophy (I am set to lose 1 gold trophy)