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How did this whole gigantic argument even start? I just read through 2 pages of people complaining and all I gathered was something about pass horses and pass points.

Congratulate people, take care of horses and do things in your EC for points
They are running a business, and all businesses need money. understandable if you ask me.

I know this. I AM an active player and was caring for several hundreds of horses before I took that hit. I have spent over £200 on this game, so yes, I do KNOW that Howrse is a business and needs money to go on. But there is only so much that we can take before we finally have enough.

If you had talked to many other players, you would know many people have cared for hundreds of horses per day, and congratulated people / took care of EC, and yet the 10 full points per day (for our one monthly pass) does not always fill up. So, no, it's really not that simple.

@xx-silence-xx
I was saying what worked for me.

I've personally never had a problem with it when I did the daily things. As you stated, I took care of horses, cared for my EC, and congratulated players. I also made sure to post in some topics of the forums, stoke a horse in the SH, and did all the interactive daily divines. I've always gotten 10 points for the days that I did those things. I haven't talked to players about the recent pass meter change, so I don't know how it's working for them. Maybe they could have missed doing something on their game and didn't realize it?

All I do is AP Farm and enter a couple of competitions, and I don't even look at my EC on the weekend. But I still get the 10 points a day.

whats all this about pass horses and change?

Bumping up.

It didn't bump up the whole thing. Weird.
Here is all of the post by Kušni.

I was caring for around 400 horses, using forums, exchanges, just about everything else and still didn't get full points. I am quite convinced there is a random factor here as I cut many things out after that and on almost every day I get ten points for doing a lot less.

It's hard to take your comment seriously when you haven't paid attention to the discussion. They are eliminating all passes earned for sending horses to heaven. So your assertion that the price of pass horses "will go up if anything because players will be desperate to buy more then they have to get all ten passes" makes no sense.

Wow just wow. I disagree with you. Up until a few years ago howrse allowed players to send horses to heaven to get as many passes as they wanted to. Then a few years ago they changed that to where players can only get 30 passes from pass horses a month.

Now they are changing it again to where we can only get 10 passes a month. No just no. I can understand and accept the 30 passes a month, but this is the straw that broke the camels back.
I agree with Epona's loyalty and xx-silence-xx. I am adult and used to buy passes for this game and quit a couple of years ago and from all the changes including this one I am glad that I did.

Even though they are testing it, I still don't like it. To have gone from sending as many as you wanted or could down to 30 passes per month to this. No thank you.

not at all happy about the pass horses

everyone who is not happy about that really needs to band together and not play and not log in at all for anywhere from a week to two months and stick to it.

that will show the powers that be how many of us are totally unhappy with that change.

this might well be the straw that broke the camels back and makes me finally quit a game i loved until ubikill killed the game

now no one better come back and tell me about how this game needs money. those who say that CLEARLY have no understanding of business and how this game is run and i will not argue with those who have NO UNDERSTANDING of that.

those who want to kiss up to howrse like good little sheep because they want to be a mod or think it will help them in whatever way they think it will, back off because i have no time for you.


howrse has always been a game of strategy. sending however many pass horses you want to heaven is a strategy. now they are taking that away from you. once upon a time you could send as many as you wanted (or what you had) then they changed it to 30 passes. now they are totally taking that away as well.

i was upset with the last change with that stupid points per day and once you reach 300 you can get a pass for free. that is just ludicrous. it should be the way it was before.
after 30 days you buy one with your reserve.

i was quiet about that one but i will not be quiet any longer. the insanity has to stop.

I don't remember being able to get as many passes as we wanted from pass horses. It's always been a guaranteed limit of 10 with a max possibility of 30 for as long as I can remember. I found a Howrse Helper blog post from 2009 stating the current limit. Even in the old days Howrse wasn't that generous

Lol really?

Oops that was meant to be a quote

Passes from pass horses *did* used to be unlimited. The limits were put in place because of people using scripts to kill LARGE numbers of horses. Now my own memory may be failing me on this [articular point but I think I remember people getting hundreds of passes using scripts before the limits. delyth or nix may remember?

I just can't remember exactly myself. I followed all the game updates from the start but it took me awhile before I bothered with pass horses all that much. It figures there would be people who would try to take advantage of even an unlimited number of pass horses.

The pass restriction was put in whenever they put in the restriction on the number of horses you can work for APs/lesson money (1,000 per day).

and I am not sure whether to be flattered or horrified that I was one of the people you were sure would remember

We do have people from the Czech version who actually read the language well, and didn't just use google translate. As far as I'm concerned, they're probably right, and given the fact that all the translations have come out more or less the same thing, plus the fact that you don't appear to speak those other languages, I wouldn't be so critical. While I wouldn't use the phrase 'betraying customers' to describe what they're doing, since most of us don't really trust them at all now, as Zilakla said, they are certainly making things harder for us and are trying to push us to spend more money. And yes, while businesses do need money, Howrse has gotten greedy and started to go after more than they needed. I strongly disagree with you when you say Howrse wants to better their site. To some degree, yes, I suppose so, with interesting new items and what not, but the removal of pass horses is not going to really better anything, since it is TAKING AWAY from the free passes we can get. When the game started, people were perfectly happy to shell out real life money to get passes, because it was worth it. However, Howrse started to que up the promos, and it was clear they wanted players to spend more money. Originally, when promos were few and far between, people would spend lots of passes because they were rare and they were worth it to complete. However, with so many promos that costed more and more passes, and rare chance of a break, plus the fact that the prizes weren't all that great, people stopped spending because it just cost too much. Howrse continued to make choices that players were clearly against, which chased away people, and encouraged people to stop buying passes as a result. So it's really their own fault.

Adding on to my post: It is highly unlikely that the Pass Horse price will raise, since many people breed them themselves, and many people have old horses. But, if by any small chance it does happen to go up, it's only going to be that way until the change in implemented, and it's not going to help Pass Horse breeders all that much. They will simply change to be Heaven Horse breeders. It is simply that the prices for pass horses will be shift to apply to horses closer to 25 years, since it will be 25+ horses that will be sent to Heaven, so it is likely that the current prices will turn out as follows: 180k= horses 25+ and up 150k=20-24 years and so on. Or they could raise if everyone collectively decides to raise Heaven Horse prices since people want to keep their new ranking. However, this isn't going to help Pass Horse breeders at all. And yes, the remaining players may get used to it, but it doesn't mean we'll like it, and as the people who use this site, we do have right to put in our opinions to their changes. And as for making a modification so that people will still get passes, whatever that means, no, it's probably not going to happen since
A: We can already get passes for free, so that doesn't make sense unless Howrse abolishes getting passes for free altogether, then decides to take that move back
B: If you meant they will modify it so people can get more passes, that also makes no sense because why would they cut it down in the first place then?
One might say that they'll realize the errors of their ways with what they did but we're clearly giving them negative feedback and our reaction is very obviously predictable.

For getting 10 points each day: I always do these things, and I always seem to get 10 points each day so: (in a spoiler just in case) Some of these might not be necessary but I always do them and they seem to work.