[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Retired breeder, 24th February 2010 21:45:45
Sunshine - Oh but she were at least 351gp I would have picked her up default smiley :(

Star Bar - Not a bad idea...but I'm not sure how the NIB breeders would find their "captain". We would need some kind of directory or something, or maybe post some kind of directory here? Maybe Riven will add it to her intro post, that would be wonderful.
By Retired breeder, 24th February 2010 21:47:22
Yeah that would be the hitch...trying to get it all organized. Still, it's about the same as what we have now (aka a million offshoot forums competing for attention.)
By Retired breeder, 24th February 2010 22:27:08
yes, but at least then you would know where to go for a certain breed. It's a good idea I think.
By Retired breeder, 24th February 2010 22:48:29
Here's a thought & this just came to me. Maybe we should go by senority. Who ever has been on Howrse the longest (with each particular breed) and is willing to take on the position can be the captain?
By Retired breeder, 24th February 2010 22:53:56
Or maybe whoever has been NIBing each breed for the longest? Seeing as that is what's important.

My little sister is so sweet. I logged into my office today to find she's given me her chronus timer <3
By Retired breeder, 24th February 2010 23:11:06
Either or but it might be a bit hard to distinguish who's been doing NIB the longest. I know I have no idea when I started the NIB project, haha.
By Retired breeder, 24th February 2010 23:11:44
That's so sweet of your little sister! A well deserved hug for her default smiley ;)
By nlriver, 24th February 2010 23:52:31
I agree with having one person open a forum for an individual breed. We could maybe post a short list on our own pages, for anyone who happens to pop along and see it? At least temporarily, but I have no idea how to solve the problem of who would lead each breed and such. Particularly as some of the older breeders like lively, kaliko and there was someone else who's name escapes me are working all in conjunction, just on their own individual projects but using coverings from others.

And then there are people who have one main breed, but several others as side projects. (coming from the person who's got NIB Welshies running around her herd of Morgans XD)

I do agree that maybe the older players should host them.... as most of them have been NIB from the start. Or something like that....

(Am still looking for a female Paso filly, preferably untouched)
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By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 00:14:50
riverdoe, I pmed you. default smiley ;)

My poor PSH foundies, I haven't worked those guys in who knows how long. default smiley (lol) I'm looking for a 351.2 GP foundie PSH mare, or a foundie filly under 8 months. Also looking for Paso foals of any gender.default smiley :(
By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 00:16:08
Whoops, "Also looking for Paso foals of any gender. " should have this --> default smiley (7) next to it, not this ---> default smiley :(
By Emberrogue, 25th February 2010 00:16:53
Misabel, are you certain that only howrses in SH are safe from disappearing and not also howrses in heaven? If that is true, then livelyblueyes' solution of sorts of sending a howrse to heaven would not be valid. Can anyone else please clarify this for me? default smiley (o) oh and Sunshine1515, thx for letting us know about that PSH mare. She is mighty mighty tempting with all those BMs and unlimited life to try to blup her but I'm going to refrain because I had to beg for help yesterday getting the last 3 wins on a mare I bought that was poorly trained and already 6 years old at the time i bought her. I think I'm done with trying to blup an already trained howrse and want to do them myself from a young age. that way i think i'll have more hair on my head. default smiley :p I'll let someone else rip their hair out trying to get the wins even with all those BMs.
StarBar, the idea is good but like you said, it might be like we have now with many offshoots. Still ONE person needs to have the place everyone goes to and everyone sends newcomers to to be able to see who the captain is for the breed they want to be involved in. So we are back to trying to figure out who is willing to do that and who is willing to support them. And regarding who to choose for captains, i think it's fine to do it by seniority. BUT as we know, from several posts in this thread alone, that some of us have or are in the process of switching breeds. For example, Yankee Lady who did PSH for a while and had many PSH and many generations and decided to sell almost all of them and switch over to Morgans. poof. done.
Maybe we can use the offsite NIBer's Directory. It seems user friendly and has nice features and it is currently being maintained and updated. It seems like it'd be a lot easier for someone to maintain an offsite list because there is not an "edit" feature in our EC forums so any new additions to a list would mean completely deleting a post and pasting the old post with the new information. Lots of NIBers have the banner link in their presentation pages which is how I found out about it in the first place, I think. Maybe we just need to know if it's allowed to post that directory which leads to a non howrse site in this public forum thread. I think Rivenwood will have the answer to that. but she has not seen or just has not responded to my posts on pages 130 and 131. so.......





Rivenwood, calling Rivenwood, Rivenwood, please if you don't read my posts on pages 130 and 131, can you at least please tell us if referring everyone to the offsite NIB directory is allowed in this thread?
If not, again my idea is for _one_ forum to rule them all.... default smiley ;) er I mean one forum that we all use and refer anyone who comes in here to it and post something on our pages etc.
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By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 00:58:21
I need some BLUPping tips here.

I now have a few horses that are ready for me to start wins, but I'm not sure if I should do them all at once. Should I do only one horse at a time? or should I do them all at once? Which works better in your experience?
By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 01:08:45
LoloJean - I suppose the depends how many races you have to choose from...default smiley ;) I usually try to stagger mine so they aren't running into each other and even then I have to slow down on one or the other because the races aren't filling. And then there's the fact that I can't keep them all straight....default smiley (lol)..hence, my handy-dandy notebook.

I very much like the idea of 'breed captains' -- and using their forum for stallion listings, tips, advice, fillers etc. Maybe we should open the floor to volunteers.....default smiley ;) As well as seniority and breed-switching though, we also need to factor in how consistently someone is involved with their NIB project....

Once again, I contribute lots of gab, not much in the way of concrete ideas....default smiley (lol)

My own posse got the day off today -- I was at work all day and then the dodgy meadows put me off....
By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 02:17:47
I agree that the forums available on this site don't work well with the lack of edit button (as I found out the hard way trying to get the NIB Quarter horse studbook up and running.) So maybe we should really all work on making the off-site our headquarters for sales adverts, heads-up, training advice, etc.
By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 02:33:53
I'm excited, the first of my foundation Brumbies has started on competitions today.
By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 03:52:10
I got an appy colt both the sire and the dams breeding are Ouranos and Gaia does that make him a NIB??? If is does would any one be wanting services from him? I was gonna castrate him.
By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 06:33:37
noo, don't geld him, reality, he's a foundie!
By bluetempest, 25th February 2010 06:57:05
I got this A New Generation A paso not sure why it would be so hard to find a good one. They are so cheap and seem to be unpopular. I got an untouched one but don't see getting rid of her.
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By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 07:43:31
If horse reality is talking about is CH1 its not foundie - its 349.87gp ofspring of 2 foundies.

I guess that horse could be good for 0gp project but his gp is worse than what foundations have so probably many NIB breeders are not ready to take risk of seeing one of his parents disappear so not exactly NIB material even he is NIB horse default smiley :(
By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 09:31:52
Emberrouge- in my experience, horses who died also disappear if their last owner deletes her/his account. So you can sell your horse to someone, who will either age them out or the horse will die of other reasons, and if the person decides to delete their account, all the horses (alive or dead) will vanish.
By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 09:34:54
About Pasos: I started BLUPing a few and found that the main problem with them is that their competitions don't run for weeks. The same with Marwaris. I have one who's been stuck in a gallop race for at least 2 weeks.
By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 10:35:44
Comps for rare breeds can be pain - one of my Don foundations has been stuck to 2% gallop race for long time - he won that race 13th february and race still need 2 more horses to run.

Thats not even bad... I actually feel sorry for EC owner since that same stallion has been only horse in 1% gallop race for Russian Dons lot longer default smiley :'(
By Emberrogue, 25th February 2010 19:18:31
Sunny83 and anyone else, I'm a little confused now. Earlier I think it was livelyblueyes that recommended for "security" purposes that it might be advisable to age a howrse past 30 and send to heaven and that way it keeps the howrse from disappearing.
Now I know there is a difference between aging a non - immortal howrse past 30 and receiving a pass and the horse dying before age 30. I had the understanding that both of theose howrse death types sent the howrses to heaven. What I'm trying to get clarified because I'm so dense is that since in your experience, that any person that has owned a horse that is in the bloodline regardless of if the howrse is alive or dead, if they ever delete their account or it gets deleted by Howrse, they will disappear?! Then howrses in heaven are not "safe" from disappearing? How about the howrses players send to the SH? do those disappear too if the last person that owned the howrse deletes their account? If this is true, then bloodlines are NOT safe if the parent is in heaven or SH or anywhere else besides in your own stock. and if any NIBer decides to sell their stock of NIBs to other NIBers they would have to revive with Pandora's Boses the howrses they sent to heaven lest their whole line be destroyed? This changes a lot for me and everyone. If they are not safe in heaven, then would need to keep every single parent in the bloodline AND keep pboxes around to retrieve them from heaven if we have sent them to heaven and wish to give our NIb stock to someone else. Does anyone get what I'm trying to say here? We've got 2 people here that said that howrses disappear whether or not they are in heaven. So buying NIBs from someone who's sent a howrse to heaven isn't a good idea if we don't want to possibly lose huge lines. and to boot there isn't a way to know _who_ sent the howrse to heaven to see if they are a NIBer or be able to contact them or anything.
is anyone tired of my long posts? I know I am. I'm sorry all. I just want to get the right info and have this clarified before many of us continue buying howrses thinking their line is safe because the parent is in heaven. and to go on saving our pboxes if we want to send a howrse to heaven but think that eventually may want to pull them from heaven to sell secure bloodlines to people.
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By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 19:31:15
I realize this is off topic but do any of you NIB breeders make layouts and have time to do one or have a premade one I could use? I am happy to pay in aging points or equus. Please let me know default smiley :d
By Retired breeder, 25th February 2010 19:53:52
Emberrouge- I understand what you are saying. I don't know about the horses in SH, I have a stallion on the Russian version whose sire was sent to SH but since he was a foundation without an affix, I cannot trace his last owner nor breeder, so I have no idea whether they still play the game or deleted their account.
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