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By ty lee ✿, 4th May 2023 21:33:47
@ Bell will that count from when they update or won in general since you started playing?
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By Blιиd Sтαg, 4th May 2023 22:37:35
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Respectfully, again missing the point. We all start at zero. Where you go from there is up to you. As privs also aren’t free- which adds to my point.

Your statement contradicts itself.

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I don’t have even 1/100 of the resources you say you have and I’m not speaking poorly or against those who do, or teams etc. I’m not complaining about people who have more trophies than me. If I wanted them bad enough I’d work harder to obtain them. You stated “it can be done” which proves many points in the flip side of this change. So based on that alone- if it can be done, no reason to drag teams down. (Not directed at you but anyone who has or will) I can’t almost positively say the 1000 rosette trophy- total rosettes or bred by me- I will probably never even obtain. So it’s not like I’m here just trying to make myself feel better. As much as you think it’s unfair- I think it’s fair. That trophy isn’t the problem, nor is it unfair. Please look at all the trophies that players can not obtain that are already here. Maybe in doing so, you can see the other side.

Also note: some skillers are sold with BMIs already added and skilled out.


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Think of it this way-

I breed a horse
I sell the horse
I then make profit and that profit means I am paid for my time

nothing wrong with that!
Now lets say this

I buy a horse for hundreds, if not thousands of passes
I use really good bmi on it
I win hundreds of rosettes
none of those rosettes are awarded to me and therefore my time, money, and BMI has been wasted
buying that horse was all for naught

And because of that, teams are *really* gonna struggle selling stock that aren't marketed or high enough to be prix stock. Rosette winners are now deemed useless unless you bred it.
Now people will have to buy a horse, blup+breed the horse, get a high IBS foal from that horse, just to get 1 horse they can win rosettes with.
Seems like a waste of time right? Thats cause it is!


thats just my take on it.
This change not only damages team earnings, but players who rely on teams to sell them good high skill/gp stock
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By ty lee ✿, 4th May 2023 22:41:00
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I so agree with all of the above. They already made their profit by selling the horse.
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By Blιиd Sтαg, 4th May 2023 22:47:21
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ty lee ✿ wrote:

I so agree with all of the above. They already made their profit by selling the horse.


ty! I just can't imagine why someone would like this change?
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People rely on teams to sell them good stock for breeding, blupping, prix, and rosettes. And if we buy horses for rosettes then this new change makes it completely useless to do so!
This will seriously damage teams who make passes selling horses for rosette winners.

Why would someone buy something, spend all their money, time, and items on, just for it to not reward them in any way possible?
If I buy a horse, spend time on it, use my bmi on it, only for rosettes to not matter, how exactly am I being paid for this? This doesn't have any benefit for me. Why would I buy something that has no benefit? Yeah people buy them for comp/ec fillers to boost prestige, they buy for the prix, but thats not enough to pay me for the hours, money, and bmi wasted.

The only ones benefiting from this is the team who is getting paid and the breeder who bred the horse
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By Spyder, 4th May 2023 23:00:53
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From what Legacy Anne posted earlier I am not sure players understand that

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When a horse is bred and sold any rosettes it gets goes to two trophies. The seller as the breeder and the buyer as winning rosettes. I have no problem with the breeder getting rosettes because as the now owner I also can help my win rosette trophy.
The image here shows the buyer still gets the ability to increase their trophy.

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By Crookedstar915, 4th May 2023 23:22:43
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Spyder wrote:

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When a horse is bred and sold any rosettes it gets goes to two trophies. The seller as the breeder and the buyer as winning rosettes. I have no problem with the breeder getting rosettes because as the now owner I also can help my win rosette trophy.
The image here shows the buyer still gets the ability to increase their trophy.



People absolutely do understand that, it was mentioned many times.

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Doesn't change the fact that they set up the trophy system in such a way that people spent thousands of passes trying to get BOTH trophies, as was promised to them, and now all the effort for one is being taken away from them and handed to someone else. And this is written off as fair game because "well, the breeder deserves the credit too"? Why? The breeder was never promised the credit. The BUYER was, and now the buyers are getting screwed over.

It's fine if they want to stick a breeder credit trophy on as a second trophy. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. What people have a problem with is that Howrse for SIX MONTHS has allowed people to benefit from this in a particular way, and is now removing the trophies from the players who worked hard for them and handing them to someone else who didn't do any of the work for those entire six months just because "that's how we're doing it now"

Breeders can get credit and rewards for their hard work. Breeders should NOT be getting the credit and rewards for someone ELSE'S hard work that was promised to them under the current model.
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By Adalena, 4th May 2023 23:25:20
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By Adalena, 4th May 2023 23:28:22
Fiddlesticks, sorry. Forgot to remove the second asterisk. My bad, guys.
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By Adalena, 4th May 2023 23:28:38
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How come we're getting Copper this weekend? I thought we had another metal that was spoiled a while ago to come first? Or did I miss something?
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By Crookedstar915, 4th May 2023 23:28:44
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I guess I should clarify when I said 'second trophy' I mean there should be three instead of two:

- Total rosettes
- Rosettes with a single horse
- Rosettes with a horse you've bred

That way, players get what they were promised AND breeders can get trophy credit for breeding top horses if that's the direction Howrse wants to take. No reason to wipe the second trophy and give all credit towards that trophy to a different player.
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By ty lee ✿, 5th May 2023 00:07:27
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I am so confused by the creators of this game. They want us to spend more passes so we can get that trophy, right? That seems to be the only reason because neither the players or the breeders wil truely benefit from the trophy. Since the breeders will have a harder time selling their males.

But if their goal is to get players to spend more passes, why do they give out so many free passes as well? Like back in the day we had to kill a horse aged 30 to get 1 pass. Now I just completed an objective and got 20? default smiley xd they shoot themselves in the foot so bad over the years what I see from 3 weeks playing
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By красивая девушка, 5th May 2023 00:35:33
@Quinn I do see your point.

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I guess I misunderstood the issue with them ADDING a trophy that benefits someone else in a way, now I see they are supposedly wanting to completely replace it? At the same time... You could still breed your own (not you specifically but generally speaking) someone else mentioned making a third trophy, but I feel it’s still going to be an issue to have the 1000 for a horse you bred. Even if they added that 3rd trophy. Do I think they should strip players of the trophies they have won? Absolutely not, and they’ve kinda already done that to us. Which wasn’t what I was saying at all
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By Crookedstar915, 5th May 2023 00:35:40
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ty lee ✿ wrote:

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But if their goal is to get players to spend more passes, why do they give out so many free passes as well? Like back in the day we had to kill a horse aged 30 to get 1 pass. Now I just completed an objective and got 20? default smiley xd they shoot themselves in the foot so bad over the years what I see from 3 weeks playing


They also changed the pass values, though. 1 pass used to get you a Horn of Plenty, so it was worth about 100 passes under the current model. So it's not like you're getting 20 times the pass amount you used to get before. Although, I'll grant that the daily objectives do make it easier to get passes, but a long time ago it was entirely possible to run your game 100% without passes at all. Now, not so much really.

I agree they make terrible decisions though. I used to spend passes collecting for the trophies, but they got rid of all the collection trophies and now I really don't spend passes on anything. There's not much that's worth it to me. They try their best to encourage people to play in pass-heavy ways (buying Divines, mostly, and I suspect the new trophy is another - a way to sell breeding items, I guess?) but the thing is, people prefer a broader range of gameplay options as opposed to being funneled into one narrow model. Used to be you could get rewards and benefit for all kinds of play. Now, you only benefit from a few. Like no one's stopping me from collecting, but I won't get anything to show for it. It's just how it works, I guess, but I miss the old way.
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By Crookedstar915, 5th May 2023 00:47:56
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I guess I misunderstood the issue with them ADDING a trophy that benefits someone else in a way, now I see they are supposedly wanting to completely replace it? At the same time... You could still breed your own (not you specifically but generally speaking) someone else mentioned making a third trophy, but I feel it’s still going to be an issue to have the 1000 for a horse you bred. Even if they added that 3rd trophy. Do I think they should strip players of the trophies they have won? Absolutely not, and they’ve kinda already done that to us. Which wasn’t what I was saying at all


Yeah they're not adding a trophy that benefits another player, they're wiping people's progress and giving all the progress they ALREADY earned to another player. Which is what people are upset about.

If they'd just had it this way from the beginning, I think people wouldn't have an issue. But they let it go for months and months, allowing people to use their resources and earnings and time to benefit their own game, and now they're saying "Actually all that hard work you did? That's going to someone else now, sorry!" which isn't right.

Obviously nothing's stopping people from breeding their own horses but it should be a separate, added trophy. Not a replacement and not a way to wipe people's efforts. They've obviously stripped trophies without warning before, but they should be doing it LESS, not more. It's a really bad look for Howrse overall. If they keep removing people's efforts like this on a whim no one's going to want to play.
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By ty lee ✿, 5th May 2023 00:50:05
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Thanks for explaining! And that is too bad that it got removed, especially because you liked to collect them. Such a shame I hope they bring it back one day default smiley (l)
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By berettaindy_37, 5th May 2023 01:18:42
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gelded skiller preps simply to get top 100 for the weekly grand prix ranking to get fountain access. You don't need top top GP for that. There are others who buy top horses to help boost their EC comp prestige as well

I don't like the update either, but there will still be some desire to buy skillers and preps., which is what I'm pointing out. The trophy isn't the *only* reason to buy, although it is a big one


It took me soooo long to find this in the classic version on my phone. If someone knows how to quote in the forum on mobile that would be awesome.

This is so true though. I get the fountain weekly for western as long as I remember to enter however I am on a project to get a fountain in classical to explain on my youtube channel. I currently am trying to use less than 31 passes or 150,000 equus per horse and get a fountain. I was close last week with a subpar 28k Arabain and 2 not finished Prix breed horses. Believe I got 125 or so. This week I have a 30k plus Arabian, finished the other 2 and bought a thoroughbred skiller for 45k that is around 31.4k. Should be able to get it.
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By Famousamos, 5th May 2023 04:21:38
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Crookedstar915 wrote:

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I guess I should clarify when I said 'second trophy' I mean there should be three instead of two:

- Total rosettes
- Rosettes with a single horse
- Rosettes with a horse you've bred

That way, players get what they were promised AND breeders can get trophy credit for breeding top horses if that's the direction Howrse wants to take. No reason to wipe the second trophy and give all credit towards that trophy to a different player.


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This is what i was thinking...why not simply add a third trophy? i literally have a DIAMOND trophy for having BOUGHT and loaded up and raised a skiller foal, with my money, time and efforts, and for then winning over 2,500 rosettes with said skiller. How dare they strip me of what i have rightfully earned, especially when just adding a new trophy is such an easy option! There's NO excuse for taking this removal route. If they do this, it will be infuriating, on top of the initial infuriation of wrecking the trophies the first time. This is adding insult to injury.default smiley (li)
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By Oathkeeper, 5th May 2023 04:42:20
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I feel that this all boils down to one thing - money. At present time someone with tears p can use a single mortal mare and breed like 13 foals after being fully blupped, then they can sell those foals for a small amount of passes, profit for the seller and a nice potential rosette winner for the buyer. This means less money for Howrse, so one of the ways to claw it back is to literally force people to breed their own if they want to improve the trophy. I don't have an issue with them trying to make money, but I do have an issue if this is the case.

This probably wouldn't be getting as much backlash if players won't going to lose their trophies, and it only applied to horses bred after the change was made.
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By EmmaKate66, 5th May 2023 06:38:42
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On the weekend offers

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Excited for Copper, I love the metals so much. Really want Gold as well, I hope he comes out in an offer soon


On the trophy change

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I am so sad as well and I admire the tenacity of players to express their views and come up with another solution - especially since all feedback on the trophies fell on deaf ears with no changes made. Your hope for a change is inspiring and I am rooting for you.

I hope things are different this time.
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By Nalu93, 5th May 2023 06:55:56
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@Adalena
My guess is
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that Scandium looks too much like Ruthenium to be visible in a weekend offer right after her. People might think it's not a new one and that would tank the sales. Copper has a fancy new design.
Afterwards, once they've gotten all the money from copper, they'll release Scandium
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By Nalu93, 5th May 2023 07:02:15
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Speaking of New Boi
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his power is officially out. He gives 10 passes.
We don't know how big the bar is
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By Adalena, 5th May 2023 07:25:10
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@Nalu
Thank you.
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By Famousamos, 5th May 2023 08:10:16
Is anyone else having any issues with the weekend offers? I am trying to use a Themis Scale to turn a Nyx into three Titan's Challenges, yet it is not showing up as an option?default smiley :$
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By Oathkeeper, 5th May 2023 08:11:51
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Famousamos wrote:

Is anyone else having any issues with the weekend offers? I am trying to use a Themis Scale to turn a Nyx into three Titan's Challenges, yet it is not showing up as an option?default smiley :$


That's normal, it can take up to half an hour to show up default smiley :)
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By Nalu93, 5th May 2023 08:14:23
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Those who got Copper, how many ores did you get? Trying as usual to make a pattern.

I got 18 default smiley :)
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