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By Retired breeder, 18th October 2016 16:57:22
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That should be in spoilers
Oh, really? default smiley ;) cool!default smiley ;)
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look everyone thinking you will be getting more passes after the pass horse change or a free pass you are sadly mistaken

right now you can get 30 passes per month plus if you can work the stupid 10 points per day and do that annoying mini game you can get a pass (it was better the other way after 30 days you can get a pass with your equus)

it clearly states that every three days it is POSSIBLE to get a pass you have to get a certain amount of points every day to get that. so it will be just like that stupid free pass with the mini game IF you get the said points. (unless they are changing that to this stupid every three days)

you will be getting LESS passes per month, not more. they are hobbling you so you will be FORCED to buy passes (howrse has gotten way to greedy since ubikill has taken over)

anyone who is upset can send a ticket to contact us and probably get a survey to give your opinion.

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don't know if you can simply type it in and get it but there it is just in case
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Retired breeder wrote:

Okay so the whole pass thing, isn't it a good thing ? 1 pass every 3 days just for playing. That will give some of the people who don't have the time to deal with pass horses or the ageing points, the chance to get passes , and for those people maybe they can get divines and do good at promos that you have to have passes to get anything good. Maybe i missed some of the info somewhere but i see this as a good thing.



Taking care of pass horses is really simple. Do a daily mission, stroke, groom, water, feed and put to bed.

You can do 1 or 2 competitions with them and that earns you equus. By taking care of horses everyday you get aging points.

I don't think you understand that this new system is just like the LOYAL PLAYER PASS thing. You still have to work to gain points to get your passes and its completely random and even if you do the same thing everyday you might not get all the points.

Retired breeder wrote:

You work mortal horses of various ages every day. 70 horses takes less than 15 minutes a day, phone or laptop.

With that, I can have ten horses aged 1-5, ten horses aged 5-10, ten horses aged 10-15, ten horses aged 15-20, ten horses aged 20-25, ten horses aged 25-30, and ten horses aged 30+.

Every time the ten 30+ year olds are sent to heaven, I add ten 1-5 year olds. They are cheap to breed or buy, so no big deal. Doing this every day for just 15 minutes gives me ten passes.

It takes a little under 2 hours for me to work more than 500 horses, but when I play any video game "excessively" 2 hours is not crazy. I mix it up in between my daily chores, such as work breaks, after cleaning, during lunch, or before bed, and it really doesn't make a dent in my productivity. With that, it was very easy to get 20+ passes a month, and often the full 30. Plus, lots of tears, WoYs, etc. which was a nice little bonus default smiley :) not to mention you roll in AP's!


Exactly. Really not that difficult to work pass horses. default smiley :)

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I don't think we should be hating on the divine I mean it could be that it gives a pass for every horse sent to heaven we just don't know so we should not be quick to rush to judgment until we have seen what the perk is. it could be lame but give it a chance to at least find out what it is default smiley (y)


Why would howrse have another divine offering passes when Croesus already gives players a pass per month, two passes if 13th of the month falls on a Friday.


And do you really think howrse is just going to give this divine out to players for free?

The only time players did get a divine for free is the advent calendar and they don't host very often now do they.

dougaldoggie wrote:

I think the pass change will be good, a free pass every few days, just for just playing as normal? That's more than I make off pass horses now (I can never be bothered to age them to 30, and would go broke buying them all the time) default smiley (lol)


That is the exact attitude of players who are lazy and want things given to them without having to work for the reward.

I'm not always able to get all my pass horses sent to heaven to get all 30 passes but I do get more than 10 passes.


I think people really need to understand that with this new system you are LOSING more than gaining a reward.

With this new system you are LOSING 20 passes and only gaining 10 passes per month.

That is INCREDIBLY STUPID! Especially considering that long ago for a while you could send as many pass horses as you wanted to heaven to passes and then it was changed so players can only get 30 passes per month.

With getting 30 passes per month you could easily spend 10 passes to get a VIP account and still have 20 passes to breed and get higher in the general ranking. Or maybe you are one of those players who likes to participate more actively in the promotions or both. Maybe you don't want a VIP account and you choose to get 2 months of a Pegasus account subscription by spending 6 passes by buying it twice and still have enough passes leftover to do whatever you want with them.

The new system does NOT allow you do to that and really are you sure you are going to get 10 passes a month. People are already complaining in the forums about how they cannot complete a mini game for the LOYAL PLAYER PASS.
Not to mention it has been discussed on page 1,914 that you have to do something everyday to get points to be able to get that pass and it is even stated more than once that doing the SAME thing everyday did NOT always get you the 10 points, because howrse cannot make up their mind and continue to be MISERLY with the passes.

I didn't know Mr. Scrooge was running the game now.


To sum it up about the pass system. " If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it."default smiley (li)
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@Marble and everyone else

sorry i forgot the spoiler thing
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Here is the info for the T__T__promo again for those who can't find it.

Legacy Ann wrote:



Some tips for the T__T__promo :

collecting stuff
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First, my terms for the treat levels so as not to cause confusion.

A short guide on the free ways to collect which treats(You also start with a few during a little mini tutorial, but I didn't include those).
-From login(x17 per day) you get a combination of all three rarities: 12 most common treats, 4 common treats, 1 rare treat

-Most common/top jar treats from login:



-Common /middle jar treats from grooming (x4 treats per day):



-Rare/bottom jar treats from competition wins (x4 treats per day):


These stats have been over the past 3 days and have held the same so I *suspect* this will hold for the rest of the promo. ***New Note: the stats have still held true in the few days since***


Arrivals:
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Notes on children arrival:

The number of kids that show up seems to increase by 1 kid each day, with their being throughout the day. The free kids will leave after 48 hours(there is a countdown above the kid letting you know how long you've got until s/he leaves). The kids you call with the bells will stay until the end of the event so you can leave them be until you get their requested treats. On Day 1 we got 6 kids, Day 2 saw 7 kids,, Day 3 saw 8 and so on.

***New Tip: Since we have 48 hours until a child leaves patience is a good thing to have in this promo. If you don't have the two correct treats you need you can wait to see if you might get one you need from daily freebies or flash sales. That way you won't have to send anyone away with less than 21 points.


Getting Points:
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There are 3 levels of satisfaction a kid will leave with that will determine the number of points you get. Whenever you drag a treat into the pumpkin bag the pumpkin will give a reaction face giving you an idea of what satisfaction level you will get.

"Sad face" pumpkin(worst satisfaction)
"Ouch faced" pumpkin(better satisfaction)
"Happy face" pumpkin(best, obviously!)

Obviously giving the pumpkin the correct treat will yield a "happy" face; giving it the incorrect treat of the same rarity level will yield a "ouch" face; and an incorrect treat of a lower rarity level will yield a "sad" face. Since you're giving it two treats, the pumpkin will give you two reaction faces for each treat you give him.

For a refresher, here are the 3 satisfaction point levels:
Kids with less than 12 satisfaction points are sad. Expect a trick!
Between 12-21 points - neutral satisfaction
Greater than 21 points - happy child.
*The points given depends on the rarity of the treat*(I'll get into this farther down)
there are 26 points max.

Here was the combination of reactions I had vs. the satisfaction level:
(reaction+reaction=points received. Satisfaction level)
Sad+Sad= 2 points. Got a trick
Sad+Ouch= 10 points. Got a trick
Sad+Happy= 14 points. Neutral satisfaction

Ouch+Ouch=12 points. Neutral satisfaction
Ouch+Happy= 18 points. Neutral satisfaction

Happy+Happy= 22 points. Happy satisfaction

As noted above, you do get more points when you give it the correct treat of a higher rarity level, so just because your pumpkin gives an ouch+ouch face doesn't mean it'll get 12 points every time. For the above stats I just recorded the reactions and the points, not the rarity levels given. However, below I *did* record the points received for the correct treats and their rarity levels.

(These were all correct treats given so it was a happy+happy face)
22 points= Most common+Most common treat
23 points= Most common+Common
23 points= Common+Common
24 points= Most Common+ Rare
24 points=Common+Common
25 points= Common+ Rare
26 points=Rare+rare

I did do a point comparison giving 2 correct most common treats vs. giving 1 correct most common+1 incorrect treat of the same rarity level(the pumpkin reactions on second one were happy+ouch).
I got 22 points for giving 2 correct most common treats vs.
14 points for 1 correct most common treat+1 incorrect rare treat

Basically:
Treats Requested: Cherry(most common) and a Licorice(rare),
Treats Given: Cherry and Pumpkin(rare).


***New Tip: Item Order. This is important!!!***
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I have noticed that when giving incorrect treats, you will receive *less* points if you put them in the pumpkin in the incorrect order. For the examples below I used a common ouch and a most common happy treat for both to demonstrate consistency.

Here, I put the treats in the correct order. You see in the box that the kid asks for a most common ice cream and then common lollipops. I first put the ice cream in the pumpkin, and then I dragged the Ghosts(incorrect treat) in second. I got 18 points as shown.


Here, I did *not* put them in the correct order. The kid asks for Fried Egg and then Candy cane. First I gave him Ghosts (incorrect treat) and then the Fried Egg. However, i only got 13 points for this.


I've tested this several times and got less points when I put them in the incorrect order. Giving two happy treats in the incorrect order does not seem to matter. I got the same points regardless of order
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Lunar Moon wrote:

Zilakla
You should send your post to contact us



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I have.
The only thing I got back is that the pass change is coming here and the only reason they changed anything is to try and improve the game.

I asked them how limiting black-market items and forcing us to lose 21 passes a month is an improvement, I don't expect to get a good answer.

Instead I expect them to go after the diamond divines next.
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Spyder
your forgetting the free pass every month, so it is actually 11 passes per month not 10
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Zilakla
I just hope that if enough people contact them that maybe they will think twice, but then again that is being to hopefull
I have a feeling that diamond divines are next as well, and that the divines that actually give out good BMI's will be targeted as well.
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See my thinking is on a different level.

A pass is a privilege not a right. That means you have to do something ( earn it) for that privilege and it can be removed at any time. If Howrse chose to take the whole pass system out of the equation it can. It was never a right.

Virtually all games operate under a two value system with game money ( equus) and real money. Some only accept real money bought via cards ( like iTunes or ones specifically for specific games) or directly from your bank account or sites like PayPal. This is real money.

Howrse has one of the few with 3 options with the two mentioned above and the third that has been discussed over that last few pages. If they went mainstream, the 10 or 30 or one extra loyalty pass would be dropped in its entirety.default smiley :s

We have to stop thinking this is our right.
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By Retired breeder, 18th October 2016 17:44:33
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Spyder wrote:

Most of us go for the standard 10 passes per month by sending 10 pass horses to heaven.
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If we took the time to calculate this out doing 1 pass for every 3 days actually gets you 1 more pass per year.

12 months (10 x 12) ==120 passes in total
1 every 3 days is (365 divided by 3) ==121 ( with a couple days in hand).

I never do the 30 horses per month as it is in the end too expensive for me so a 1 every 3 days actually gets you more in the long run.default smiley :)


I'm afraid I see a lot of confirmation bias as well as a lot of spoilers in this post. I put your quote in spoilers just in case someone didn't want to know.

My response:

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It would be great if you were *guaranteed* (emphasis) 10 points every day. It would also be great if NO ONE sent more than 10 pass horses a month—as opposed to the subjective statement: "Well *I* only send 10" default smiley ;)

This change would rob many players of hard earned passes. That's great if it would benefit you, but this is wrong for so many others. You have to think about more than just your game, and realize how the big name players and their passes/income affect the Howrse economy and us.

I know I'm not going to be able to get 10 points every day. I work hundreds of horses, breed, foal, sell, buy, trade, congratulate, and post in forums *every day* and do not get 10 points 100% of the time. It is seemingly randomized and purposely kept secret.

Not to mention, I don't have time to play every single day! I do have a life, and responsibilities sometimes get in the way. With a pass horse farm, this rarely impacts me. A day missed is a shrug. With the new system, that's an entire pass per month lost. I would not be able to afford a VIP membership with 10 OR LESS passes a month.

I understand the desire to defend a game you love but sometimes a change is BAD no matter how hard a company tries to make it sound good.
Here is the promo part of Kušni's post

Retired breeder wrote:

FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT FIND ANY INFO,, ENJOY



PROMOS/EVENTS"
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**CELTIC CARDS PROMO**

Celtic cards
Thanks to some card you can win a prize and the other cards can help you finish the puzzle.
Get also the Wild cards! These card will allow you, to choose any card with the same rarity.

You'll get the golden horseshoes, if you'll collect certain number of different cards:
> 3 different cards
> 12 different card
> 33 different card
> 63 different cards
Collect at least 2 golden horseshoes to take part in the prize draw, which will take place at the end of the event, to try and win the divine horse Morrigan.

How to get cards?
First log in in the day. (2 cards per day)
While training your horse. (1 card per day)
Winning with a horse in a competition. (1 card per day)
Flash sales.
Change of the duplicated cards for equus. (1 card per day)
Buying cards. (for passes)



Bronze Joker
This card will alow you to get any bronze card of your choice.
Choose the card, you want to get.


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**PRIZES IN CELTIC CARDS PROMO**




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**NEW DIVINE COLLECTION CELTIC HORSES**

Celtic horses are Divine horses. Each of them represents one of the Celtic gods. They have the power of divinationm, that allows you to discover 3 ogham* letters each day. Some letters are part of a prediction and some not. Find 5 letters which are part of prediction to win a gift. Then discover a new prediction!

Each of the Celtic horse is immortal, unsellable and unclassifiable.
They cannot:
Reproduce
Being customized
Participate in Grand Prix
Be aged manually
They do not affect the prestige of a EC, where they are boarded
They can participate in a competitions for a normal horses once a day. However they can participate in competition for Divines, Wild horses and Legendary horses as many times, as their energy allows.

*Ogham is an Early Medieval alphabet used to write the early Irish language.



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**NEW DIVINE MORRIGAN**

Morrigan
Morrigan is part of the Celtic Horses. Find 5 Ogham letters of his prediction by using every day his power of divination. Once completed you can win:
- 1 Medusa's Blood
-10 000 Equus
-1 Bell Boots.

You cannot sell this divine
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Spyder wrote:

See my thinking is on a different level.

A pass is a privilege not a right. That means you have to do something ( earn it) for that privilege and it can be removed at any time. If Howrse chose to take the whole pass system out of the equation it can. It was never a right.

Virtually all games operate under a two value system with game money ( equus) and real money. Some only accept real money bought via cards ( like iTunes or ones specifically for specific games) or directly from your bank account or sites like PayPal. This is real money.

Howrse has one of the few with 3 options with the two mentioned above and the third that has been discussed over that last few pages. If they went mainstream, the 10 or 30 or one extra loyalty pass would be dropped in its entirety.default smiley :s

We have to stop thinking this is our right.


My point of argument is that they are beeing greedy with money... they will basically be forcing us to buy more passes to even play and keep higher rankings. I have worked hard for my passes and i like knowing what i need to do to get a pass... the new system you might not get your 10 points per day and you will not get even 10 passes per month is you miss those points.
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By Retired breeder, 18th October 2016 17:51:05
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Spyder wrote:

See my thinking is on a different level.

A pass is a privilege not a right. That means you have to do something ( earn it) for that privilege and it can be removed at any time. If Howrse chose to take the whole pass system out of the equation it can. It was never a right.

Virtually all games operate under a two value system with game money ( equus) and real money. Some only accept real money bought via cards ( like iTunes or ones specifically for specific games) or directly from your bank account or sites like PayPal. This is real money.

Howrse has one of the few with 3 options with the two mentioned above and the third that has been discussed over that last few pages. If they went mainstream, the 10 or 30 or one extra loyalty pass would be dropped in its entirety.default smiley :s

We have to stop thinking this is our right.


A game creator can do whatever they want within their legal rights, that is true.

It is wrong to think that players should not/may not be going to speak their thoughts, get upset, and make the assumption that player satisfaction doesn't matter because it is *our* money and time to spend on the game that *they* want. This is a transaction.

If they want players, players must be happy and enjoy the game. Taking away things from the game can make it unenjoyable, and make players no longer wish to play. If a game creator wants to continue making money, they need players.

Us speaking out is doing them a favor. If we didn't, they would continue to make bad changes=lose players=lose money, and the game would shut down.
I have been scrolling back and I have found no answers - what are the changes being made to passes??

Sorry, I can't seem to put this in a spoiler messagedefault smiley :o

Thanks default smiley :)
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Retired breeder wrote:

If they want players, players must be happy and enjoy the game. Taking away things from the game can make it unenjoyable, and make players no longer wish to play. If a game creator wants to continue making money, they need players.


Nothing was "taken away", it was revised.

All companies need to look at their product and how it sells. I don't know of any company that won't make a change ( for any reason) if they feel it is the right thing. If they decided to only offer a 20% discount on an item that usually has a 30% discount then they will.The 30% discount is a privilege, never a right.

That does not stop anyone from voicing disappointment and that company may even lose a buyer. It happens, part of life. It is how that disappointment is presented. That company is more likely to listen to voices that offered suggestions on a rework without any rhetoric that goes to the level some have expressed here
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By Retired breeder, 18th October 2016 18:16:28
weasleysimpala wrote:

I have been scrolling back and I have found no answers - what are the changes being made to passes??

Sorry, I can't seem to put this in a spoiler messagedefault smiley :o

Thanks default smiley :)


To put a spoiler put [spoiler*] in front of the message and [/spoiler*] at the end of the message. Remove the stars to make it work default smiley :)

Pass changes:
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Pass horses will be no more. The "Loyal Player Pass" system will replace it. Every day, you may earn up to 10 points, by doing random unknown tasks. 30 points will earn you 1 pass. So, theoretically, you could earn 1 pass every 3 days. This will cut the free pass limit down from the current 31 you can earn a month, to 10 a month (at best, since the tasks are unknown and change I would argue it isn't really possible to get 10 every month.) They will also be releasing a new divine that grows from sending horses to heaven. There is a quote of the master post a few pages back.
weasleysimpala wrote:

I have been scrolling back and I have found no answers - what are the changes being made to passes??

Sorry, I can't seem to put this in a spoiler messagedefault smiley :o

Thanks default smiley :)


Well,
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In the current system, you can send 10 horses over the age of 30 to heaven for 10 passes each month. You can win up to 20 more passes the same way, only it's a 1/3 chance of getting a pass after the first 10. And then there's the loyal player's pass that you can get every month, but only if you get the maximum points a day..

The new system will completely take away pass horses. Instead, by completing random actions on the game during the day, you will win points that fill the meter. Every three days, if you get the maximum points per day, you can get a free pass by playing a mini-game.
This would limit the amount of free passes a month to 10.
Also, touchscreen devices don't work for the mini-games. And there won't be a way around the mini-games.

The in-game actions that fill the meter would appear to be random. Every day, even if you do the same actions which won you the maximum points the previous day, may fall short the next due to the randomization. Nobody knows exactly what needs to be done in order to get the maximum points every day guaranteed.
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By Retired breeder, 18th October 2016 18:22:32
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Yes, monthly passes are something Howrse doesn't have to give us. But people have put time and resources into their farms, is it really fair to suddenly make all that work pointless? I believe that Howrse should give something if it wishes to receieve something in return.
how about this

howrse having customers is not a right it is a privilege


keep yanking the rug out from under your customers and soon you will not have any customers

remember the customer is always right and if that many are upset then maybe you should change your way of thinking
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Spyder wrote:

We have to stop thinking this is our right.


I disagree with your post. I like what GrimmjowxIchigo. You have to stop thinking about your game, this change affects a lot of players including myself.

Like I said to other players it is not that hard to take care of pass horses. My post is at the top of this page(1,915) about pass horse care. It is really that simple and easy.


And I'm going to use two quotes from my all time favorite movie, "Remember The Titans."

Gerry: "See man, that's the worst attitude I ever heard."

Julius: "Attitude reflects leadership, captain."


And if they don't like the attitude they are getting, then that should be a big clue stop being a Mr. Scrooge about it.default smiley (o)

You can talk about privileges and game all you want to, but at the end of the day, the customer is always right. Treat your customers like this, and you won't have customers very long to support what is left of this game.

It was quoted on one of the servers that they are making this stupid change because they want to reward the real players of this game."

WE ARE real players and this is how our loyalty gets treated by telling us we are not real players. I bought passes for this game, supported this game with real money, so my opinion does matter. If they want me to buy passes, no scratch that want more players to buy passes again, they stop making changes to things that don't need fixing.default smiley (li)


This is a quote for a lot of players like yourself who support this new change:

Julius:"Why should I give a hoot about you, huh? Or anyone else out there? nah what I'm gonna do is look out for myself and I'ma get mine."

Not thinking about the whole community and what this is going to do to our game economy and how it is going to affect other people. Nope just thinking about ourselves and how we are just too lazy to take care of pass horses because we want passes and want them now.
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Retired breeder wrote:

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Yes, monthly passes are something Howrse doesn't have to give us. But people have put time and resources into their farms, is it really fair to suddenly make all that work pointless? I believe that Howrse should give something if it wishes to receieve something in return.


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At the very least they should get rid of the mini-games. That way more people could actually get the passes.
I'm still hoping the new divine will have a perk that's actually worth something. But, because at the moment all we have is speculation, I suppose it's just a waiting game.
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celtic_princess wrote:

Taking care of pass horses is really simple. Do a daily mission, stroke, groom, water, feed and put to bed.


Actually, it can be even simpler than that, all I do is: mission, feed, groom, bed.
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By Retired breeder, 18th October 2016 18:32:32
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The truth of the matter is....

The powers that be could care less about our opinions (even when asked). We can rant on about it all day long and they are STILL going to take away the pass horses.

Yes, it is completely and utterly horrible. The game has gone down the shooter.

But they don't care and well - frankly - if they do make this change, they will see a HUGE decline in active accounts.

So be it. I can take my $1200 a year spent here elsewhere!!!!
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