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Click to display Also heres the current sales vs top gp for the aforementioned breed : Brumby - 2551 vs 3077.38 Morgan - 2266 vs 5646.03 Trakes - 2007 vs 4959.99 Irish - 1672 vs 4844.42 Holst. - 1458 vs 6277.29 Arab - 7566 vs 8070.74 Knab - 8221 vs 8160?? Vanner - 3115 vs 7272.77 So you can see that this is not about "losing" profits because no one buys unis. The market is horrible for them! There are little to no profits to be made here. This will in fact not effect 99% of uni teams because sales are already higher than or very close to what people will be getting, not to mention that the divine wont be giving out unis for another 8 weeks or so when sales will be even higher. Also the current gps are nearly DOUBLE what the sales is and they dont have a fear of someone catching them because unis are very hard to gain gp if you dont have a infinite hestia supply. In conclusion - This divine will not impact the market. I feel so weird because I just did a complete sales report on an imaginary creature on a pixel game  This is why I have a business masters degree and its being put to good use XDD
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@Rynx manure beats a GA any day!
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By Retired breeder, 21st May 2017 11:40:18
Are the Celtic horses done?
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Question about K_____
Click to display What will happen if you already have all the unicorn breeds? I am considering trying to get him, but I have every unicorn on the game.
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Question about K_____ Click to display What will happen if you already have all the unicorn breeds? I am considering trying to get him, but I have every unicorn on the game. then... Click to display you get a uni of a random breed and color. We were allowed to test it on prepod. I'm thinking about getting him as well. But it's going to be expensive.
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Click to display Also heres the current sales vs top gp for the aforementioned breed : Brumby - 2551 vs 3077.38 Morgan - 2266 vs 5646.03 Trakes - 2007 vs 4959.99 Irish - 1672 vs 4844.42 Holst. - 1458 vs 6277.29 Arab - 7566 vs 8070.74 Knab - 8221 vs 8160?? Vanner - 3115 vs 7272.77 So you can see that this is not about "losing" profits because no one buys unis. The market is horrible for them! There are little to no profits to be made here. This will in fact not effect 99% of uni teams because sales are already higher than or very close to what people will be getting, not to mention that the divine wont be giving out unis for another 8 weeks or so when sales will be even higher. Also the current gps are nearly DOUBLE what the sales is and they dont have a fear of someone catching them because unis are very hard to gain gp if you dont have a infinite hestia supply. In conclusion - This divine will not impact the market. I feel so weird because I just did a complete sales report on an imaginary creature on a pixel game This is why I have a business masters degree and its being put to good use XDDClick to display This is (sadly for uni breeders) not how this works.... Top teams will usually charge passes for their top horses, which allows them to get at least a few passes back for the hestias/wands/bolts spent.When Kaktos gives you X number of people unis of a given breed some of them will immediately sell them, and at least some of them will send for a few equus, because they don't know the market. So for several uni teams: a) they sales either get undercut b) they loose sales because players release cheap horses "no one buys unis" - people WILL buy them if they are a) released way over sales release for a given breed b) they are sold dirt cheap.
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Very well said Dante. Agree 200% that's exactly what will happen.
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Click to display But its not. Its still about 1000-2000 away from top gp. And unis are hard to breed. Just because a team is monopolizing profits of a certain uni breed doesnt mean that Howrse is doing anything unfair. To make up 2000 points in gp is very hard for regular breeds and incredibly hard for unis. In my opinion, it will just bump up sales release a bit just as if someone had bought and bred unis himself and tossed them into sales. Lets see : How many players will get this new divine? Id say most of the top players or ones that will be spending passes. That excludes get rich quick players seeking to "dump" sales for unis, its not that profitable. You would have to spend 20+ average passes (not guaranteed price) to get him and then care for him every single day and then you average about 1 uni every 6-8 weeks. That you can either : bolt and give out covers, most of which wont be used because a lot of people see unis as a money pit. Or throw into sales for 20 passes hoping to get your return on the divine. Which you wont be getting as no one will buy it. So in the end you might profit 3.-4 passes out of the divine. Hardly worth the effort and no I dont see howrse changing it. The gp race is way out of hand. Teams monopolizing gp and then getting annoyed when someone breeds privately and "dumps" sales still 3000 points below their current! Now if this divine was in hops and you could potentially be getting 10 unis of a higher gp and could start a reasonable team with that then id understand the concern. I personally dont see this new divine being a big threat to anyone, so you might have to up your sales release by a bit. It happens all the time when team members get angry and leave, throwing all the top horses into the sales. As a business plan, this is a very bad one for Uni teams.
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Can anyone make a good estimate on how many passes players can expect to spend to get the divine in the C_______ promo?
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Can anyone make a good estimate on how many passes players can expect to spend to get the divine in the C_______ promo? No, unfortunately the Click to display Cards event is completely luck based. I'd have to count the number of cards we get to be sure, but theoretically you could complete this for free if you get a low number of duplicates *and* the high rarity cards you need to complete the puzzle sets. If you need to buy cards towards the end you could get seriously unlucky and have to spend 20+ passes to get 1 diamond card while I friend might only need to buy one card pack and get the diamond card they need on the first go.
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Click to display Did you not read my post? By the time he is released 99% of uni sales will be higher than he is giving out. And they are going for 1 pass each and are very low compared to current top gp. HENCE further proof that uni sales are in the toilet. There was a time where a uni was a rare thing and went for passes, now you can buy a top sales gp of almost any breed for 1 pass. The profit is gone from them mostly. But this is true with everything else - skillers arent selling like they used to, divines are rare anymore, nothing has worth.
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can some one IM me with infor please
Click to display On the divine Kaktos? and when will he be available?
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Click to display Did you not read my post? By the time he is released 99% of uni sales will be higher than he is giving out. And they are going for 1 pass each and are very low compared to current top gp. HENCE further proof that uni sales are in the toilet. There was a time where a uni was a rare thing and went for passes, now you can buy a top sales gp of almost any breed for 1 pass. The profit is gone from them mostly. But this is true with everything else - skillers arent selling like they used to, divines are rare anymore, nothing has worth. Click to display Sure, uni sales will be higher by then but so will the foundie gp. On preprod, we received unicorn foals with the rolling gain, the exact same gp as normal foundation horses get (2900+ a the moment) despite being told in the beginning that their gp will be calculated differently, taking into account the fact that unicorn are much harder to breed and their gp is lower. Preprod is closed now and we didn't hear back after that. It will have no effect on the teams that already have high enough gp both overall and for sales, but that's not the case for all teams. If I'm not mistaken, haflingers have the lowest gp - 3,616.42 top and 1923 for sales. So if a unicorn is released with ~3000 gp it would mean a ~1000 gp bump for their sales and top gp suddenly wouldn't be so hard to reach either. Yeah, unicorns don't sell all that well but just like Dante already said before - there will be market if they're above the usual sales level and/or cheap enough. 1000-1500 gp bump for some breeds is certainly way too much. It will also make it much easier to catch up to some breeds. Breeders should be the ones able to sell their stock as they choose to at least try to get some of their passes back and not players who just happen to get the divine.
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Click to display By the time he is released 99% of uni sales will be higher than he is giving out. . Click to display Well, you are not wrong about it. The teams will try to increase their sales GP to match what Kaktos is giving... My point is my team (and several others) wouldn't have to do that IF that divine was not released. We already increased our sales to 2200 GP to match what maybe coming. Sales can be dumped for a variety of reasons, someone can make a mistake and release higher etc. Such is life. When selling hestias was "legal" it happened that some unis were held "hostage" by a supposed hestia seller. I have been breeding my unis since 2011 and I've seen it all... What really irks me about what is happening now is that it is the game itself that is releasing high on purpose and doesn't seem to care about the breeders who spent years improving the breed. Maybe for most of you unis are "useless and they don't sell anyway", but there are several teams on this game who spent a lot of time improving their uni lines. Even single breeders get some income from selling lower GP unis.
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By Retired breeder, 22nd May 2017 17:17:02
Do the spoiler banners work in PM?
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Click to display I understand and respect what your saying. I know how howrse likes to ruin anything that gives a sort of profit i.e pass horses RIP. I would like to point out that this promo out of all is one of the most pass heavy ones and will be more than 20 passes, automatically xing out a good number of players to get this divine. I would also like to say that I have the divine that gives out a "breed" that you dont have and the gp there is the same problem and he has given me 1 horse per 3 months on the nose. I would like to point out that you can only get 1 of these divines per player. Even if you multiaccount, spend 40+ passes to get 2. You will end up likely not getting the same breed of uni, and you get 1 uni on average every 6-8 weeks with caring every day. Now the gp race is crazy fast for normal horses but since the new uni change, a LOT unis have been breeding fast and furious. I would say that danger you are feeling is a bit hyped up. I would feel the RC collectors and the pass horse breeders are getting more trouble in the not too distant future. Now thats not to say that you are not entitled to an opinion, but I am simply saying the "hit" taken will not be bad enough for Howrse to "fix" the problem.
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By Retired breeder, 22nd May 2017 17:27:51
Click to display I dont think the divine is unfair at all. Uni breeders are so worried about it but they are 3000-4000 points ahead of the release!! Its not like people will be getting this divine, forming a team, and then trying to compete for a top spot. Unis are 1/4 chances to breed, and you still need a TON of resources to blup them. Oh and getting wins is maddening with them so a lot of people dont like to breed them, just collect them for promos to take off horns or for trophies. If a few people wanted to compete in the team unis, they would just buy a male and female out of the sales and start going at it. Much easier than trying to wait 8-9 weeks for a CHANCE at a divine and a CHANCE at a mediocre gp uni. If anything, your just announcing to the world that they should go out of their way to get this divine because of the "profits" to be made out of it. More or less making it harder on yourselves. I didnt really want it because I dont breed unis nor do I collect them. And cards are never set pass prices. You could get all diamonds the first 2 weeks or you could go the whole promo without ever getting 1. Too much of a risk for a chance at a higher gp uni that someone MIGHT buy in the sales for 2-3 passes. |
@Latte Gurl
"3000-4000 points ahead of the release" Try 1000. 
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By Retired breeder, 22nd May 2017 17:40:31
1000 is still a lot in uni standards. Lets say 2 points gain per uni if you have 2 blupped with top sales gp. Now thats 500 blups, 10,000 wins, 2,000 coverings.
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I'm not into the GP race, and I only casually breed my unis once in a while, but
Click to display I would not mind seeing the Kaktos uni GP dropped a bit, or at least put at a set amount instead of this rolling gain. The top Newfoundland Uni GP is at 3907. Foundation Newfoundlands introduced today have 2968 GP according to the horse directories. That's a 939 difference, and with GP gains between generations being higher for those at the bottom it wouldn't take long to catch up to the top if you were lucky in producing uni foals. It's also about 400 GP higher than what's in sales. Perhaps the public covers are higher, in which case, it's no big deal then, but I don't have a Newfie uni mare to check. It might not affect the market that much, but I just think that a less than 1000 point difference is a bit too close, and it slightly undermines the work that has already been done for that breed, especially with the GP gain between gens you get when you breed with such lower GP. Of course, we're just speculating about the Howrse market, which has never been a reliable thing to predict, but regardless, I personally would not mind seeing the foundy GP either dropped to a set 1000, 1500 or 2000 GP.
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By Retired breeder, 22nd May 2017 17:41:56
Not even to mention that every generation you breed is nearly worthless as a lot of "top" teams have developed this new trick involving watching their competition and dropping sales release .01 or as close above them so they will never get top sales.
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1000 is still a lot in uni standards. Lets say 2 points gain per uni if you have 2 blupped with top sales gp. Now thats 500 blups, 10,000 wins, 2,000 coverings. Thats a lot to do while the other team rolls on. Click to display The breeds with high sales gp won't be affected by this in the slightest. It's unicorn breeds with 3000-4000 gp. 1000 gp at that level is nothing, the gains should be about 30-50 points per generation depending on whether you're backbreeding or sibling breeding. So 20-30 blups is more like it. 
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The greed is mind blowing. Howrse has got every right to release higher GP horses and unicorns. You know why? Because newer players that don't or can't spend passes have to content themselves with lower gp horses and get their horses comp stomped or blup stomped by those very same teams. Teams don't like competition. They don't like the average user owning a horse that can beat theirs in a comp or blup wise. I spent more than enough passes on team horses only to be told to stop asking for coverings. In other words, i must stop trying to improve my game. Oh sure you'll happily take my hard earned passes, but dare i try anything and I get that said to me? Yeah no, i couldn't care less if this divine affects team. For the life of me, i cannot pity the greed driven teams. I have no problem spending passes or x amount of equus, but I have a problem when someone tries to root out the competition.
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Click to display Does anyone know what the cards are that aren't for the puzzles? Just the BMI cards?
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Well it was fun having less competitive unicorn breeds to dabble in for a few years anyway
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