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Hey guys, I'm confused about the changes to passes. I read something about it a while back but haven't done much on here for a while. What are the new changes, and when are they coming? Just trying to figure out if there is anything i need to do to prepare for it, as I have a large amount of pass horses. Thanks!
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By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 04:25:27
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Howrse is removing Pass Horses from the game. Now all the horses you kill go into a different ranking with a new divine. The divine arrives at your breeding farm after you send x horses to heaven and grows each time you send y horses to heaven. To "make up" for the loss of Pass Horses Howrse is making it so you only need to earn 30 points for your loyal players pass, enabling you to win a max of ten passes per month with it. However, a lot of players who have tested this are saying they're only getting about 6-8 points a day. The vast majority of players have relied on Pass Horses to uphold their game, so most players are extremely unhappy and are leaving the game.
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 04:31:36
Hey everyone, I've come back after a bit of a break and I was wondering if anyone has a list of prizes from the Advent Calendar Promo?

Thanks!!
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 04:53:30
Retired breeder wrote:

Howrse is removing Pass Horses from the game. Now all the horses you kill go into a different ranking with a new divine. The divine arrives at your breeding farm after you send x horses to heaven and grows each time you send y horses to heaven. To "make up" for the loss of Pass Horses Howrse is making it so you only need to earn 30 points for your loyal players pass, enabling you to win a max of ten passes per month with it. However, a lot of players who have tested this are saying they're only getting about 6-8 points a day. The vast majority of players have relied on Pass Horses to uphold their game, so most players are extremely unhappy and are leaving the game.


Well, I am not leaving --- didn't realize they were dropping the loyal player requirement to 30, I will have to try that out -- I have never relied on free pass horses to support my game either -- guess I am strange that way

Another question I heard somewhere, they are changing the way we deal with horses that have "died" ? That is normal horses -- read it somewhere, maybe on the Czech server? And that it would affect our Greyfells and the way we revived them?
That question is making me crazy default smiley (lol) If I imagined this, dreamed it or whatever, please let me know -- I will not be offended honest
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 05:02:44
@Midnight
Nobody knows what prizes there are in the advent calendar, it's a surprisedefault smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 05:06:19
@Lyrical
I don't think that's true. Maybe you heard about the pass horse change and you remembered it as the horses dying differently? default smiley :p
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 13:21:29
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You'd think I'd agree with you. I have been lectured many a time about how "they're just pixils" when I expressed my refusal to 'kill' horses. I've been schooled on how if I really wanted passes and can't afford them I can earn them by killing horses. Well, who's sorry now, like the song goes.

But I don't like this change one bit. These players have been on this game a long time, longer than me, in many cases, and I have to admire the hard work they put in! Even if I didn't want to play that way. I know this will hurt the game, not just the players directly affected.

I would like to trust the game owners, but I can't. I don't like how this new pass system is essentially a guessing game, no one knows how to earn the points, and it's probable that we may not be able to get passes at all. I'd prefer a lot more transparency in just what rules are in place and what has to be done to get the points.

I don't like being told to trust those whose trustworthiness has been questioned so many times. As Joseph Wambaugh said in one of his wonderful books, "I'd like to trust you, but you've got too many priors."

I've seen a lot of changes since I started, watched all my original friends bail on the game because it's changed so much that they lose interest.

I've been attacked in the forums, in my own forum, so I don't post in it any more.

We all have our limits. Relying on The Sunk Cost Effect to maintain the player base isn't working, and newbies rarely stick around.

Makes me wonder what the real motives of ubisoft is. They can kill this game and it won't make a ripple in their profits. In fact, killing off games often makes the most sense, business wise, if there isn't enough income, not enough players to get the maximum ad revenue.

If I'd spent real money on this game I would feel ripped off.

I don't want this game to go the way SPP did. I loved that game. And they did pretty much the same thing as howrse is doing.

Is ubisoft sending the game to the "kill pen?"



Preach, tiggrrrsf! default smiley (y) It DOES NOT make sense to continually disregard the opinion of the player base. And by player base, I mean the loyal ones, the ones paying by either money or time. Not the ones that sign up and use their account for 10 days, they're the ones constantly getting acknowledged, however. Everybody knows how that'll end. Including Ubisoft.
There will be a change to the way G__
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Greyfell and other horses are sent, or not, to heaven. Under the new system once horses are sent to heaven they can no longer be revived with a P. Box.

For Greyfell, the option to send him to heaven will be removed. Once he dies you automatically get his perk and then you can revive him.
Just speculation, but likely to keep players from abusing getting the tree rings or increasing their dead horses ranking
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By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 13:59:48
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Legacy Ann wrote:

There will be a change to the way G__
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Greyfell and other horses are sent, or not, to heaven. Under the new system once horses are sent to heaven they can no longer be revived with a P. Box.

For Greyfell, the option to send him to heaven will be removed. Once he dies you automatically get his perk and then you can revive him.
Just speculation, but likely to keep players from abusing getting the tree rings or increasing their dead horses ranking

Preety unusual I would say I did expect worse things to happen(annoying changes mainly) but now that I'm thinking about it can it get worse?
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 14:05:58
Legacy Ann wrote:

There will be a change to the way G__
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Greyfell and other horses are sent, or not, to heaven. Under the new system once horses are sent to heaven they can no longer be revived with a P. Box.

For Greyfell, the option to send him to heaven will be removed. Once he dies you automatically get his perk and then you can revive him.
Just speculation, but likely to keep players from abusing getting the tree rings or increasing their dead horses ranking



Ah well that sounds just pooky default smiley (lol) --- again, I crunched some numbers, keeping them revived will cost me too many passes, passes I need for other things; they will cost too many passes to keep reviving every month. I only have 4 now - but you do the math; that is a lot of pandoras boxes ( and pases) in a year

I have things I don't like either -- I worked hard for those Greyfells, but the cost to keep reviving them is not cost effective -- so they will stay in heaven -- and I will never get a palomino one -- but I will live over it and keep playing
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 14:08:55
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@ ɴᴏʀᴛʜᴇʀɴᴇʀ

exactly that's how the script goes on:


(1)Ubisoft specifficaly OWlient asks for more money and puts limits on the players


(2)Ow or admins get fired or changed


(3)People will start complaining and stop buying passes or reach to the point where they delete their accounts and encourage more people to do the same



(4) [every online game pays a rent since it takes space if not a rent then it buys the space for it to work properly without limitations or having rights unreserved]So Ubisoft is going to close this game in order to save more money



(5)Ubisoft fires its Howrse workers people lose their job and Of course Owlient and Ubisoft are always the winners


THE END
I think with the new changes everyone just needs to think about how Ubisoft and owlient need money to keep this free for every one. Not all games are free, and people like having free games to play. Just be grateful we dont have to pay every month or whatever to play.
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By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 14:29:44
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And that is what I have been trying to get folks to think about and remember
By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 14:54:46
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Mini-essay below

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On the higher GP of foundation horses:

I started playing, I believe, around the time the higher GP was being introduced. I have so much respect for the players who bred their horses from the initial GPs and have managed to take breeds into the 5000, 6000, and 7000s. HOWEVER, it is a daunting prospect as a new player to try and compete with that. Especially considering that you are required to win 20 competitions to BLUP your horse. It's massively disheartening, not to mention frustrating, trying to get these wins when the majority of the horses are light years ahead of your own -- even when you begin, as I did, with about 2500GP. It doesn't encourage new players to stick around. Why would they when they have no particular attachment to the game and they are so far behind the other players that it seems pointless. I'm all for new players coming into the game; hence, I am also supporting making it easier for them. This is not to say it should be too easy and everyone should be winning competitions and taking on the top teams at the get go, but chuck the newbies a bone and encourage them to love the game as much as everyone in this community already seems to.

On the new pass system:

Again, I don't have the infrastructure in place for this to particularly affect me. It seems rather unfair that so many players are facing the loss of much of their hard work. In saying this, many of the complaints I have read come from the obscurity of the point system proposed to win passes. It's clear, given that this is the company's second time attempting to make this change, that for whatever reason they feel they need to do it. Surely, the argument should move from 'we absolutely reject this new system' to accepting that some change will need to be made and working to ensure that these changes are somewhat more of a compromise. For example, pushing for further clarity over what the point system will entail or looking into a point and pass horse combination.

On Ubisoft/Owlient:

I don't know if this is just some crazy conspiracy theory but what I've been reading about Ubisoft buying a brand and then draining the player base of all it's funds before turning the game out to pasture (see what I did there? default smiley :p ) is kinda scary. It's these sort of rumours, more than the proposed changes to the game, that will make me far more cautious about investing my time and money in the game.


Annnndddd the mini-essay is over. Feels good to rant default smiley (l)
cheanut wrote:

I think with the new changes everyone just needs to think about how Ubisoft and owlient need money to keep this free for every one. Not all games are free, and people like having free games to play. Just be grateful we dont have to pay every month or whatever to play.


I'm sorry, FREE?
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So just put a limit on 10 horses than.

The stupid mini games do not work for all players, not every one owns a pc. I for one just flat out hate the minni games.
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So just put a limit on 10 horses than.

The stupid mini games do not work for all players, not every one owns a pc. I for one just flat out hate the minni games.

Yep agree katiedingo

@PrimeHellix - nothing much free here indeed default smiley ^)
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By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 15:32:58
I am on a cheap tablet -- you just have to keep trying different games till you get one that is easy and works --- as for the game being "free" -- yes, technically it is free meaning we do not have to pay a monthly subscription fee (now you can argue that to get this game going and have more fun, you need passes,I would agree with you, but. buying passes is not needed to get on everyday and play)
Ah but Lyrical - if everyone decides to play spending no RL $ this game will close down faster than you can blink.

No game developer can survive without RL $ income from at least some of it's playerbase. It is a capital error to constantly tick off the players that are willing to spend RL $ on the game. There is only so much each individual is willing to accept before they call it quits.

My current account is my second one. I deleted my first one due to some unacceptable game changes. But later decided to come back. I used to have a lot of old friends here that poured RL $ into this game. Now only 2 remain. All the others have quit or gone on a permanent hiatus.

I get it that a game must change to keep players interested. But removing the passhorse feature is not the way to do it. If too many "exploit" the passhorse system in Owlients eyes, it's easy to just put a cap on how many passes you can get. It used to be unlimited, then it was 30.. and with the change it will be 6-8 or even less per month IF we all log in every darn day.
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cheanut wrote:

I think with the new changes everyone just needs to think about how Ubisoft and owlient need money to keep this free for every one. Not all games are free, and people like having free games to play. Just be grateful we dont have to pay every month or whatever to play.

I have played for almost 9 years and things didn't get to upsetting until ubsoft owned howrse. That is when the price of everything began to rise dramatically.
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I personally do buy passes but I rely on the pass horses......
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cheanut wrote:

I think with the new changes everyone just needs to think about how Ubisoft and owlient need money to keep this free for every one. Not all games are free, and people like having free games to play. Just be grateful we dont have to pay every month or whatever to play.


OMG, there is that "grateful" word again.

The people that should be "grateful" are the makers/owners of this game and their employees. We paid them. They should make us happy so we will pay more money to them.

End of story.
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By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 16:47:52
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@cheanut Free? You think the game is free? We have to buy passes for our VIP subscriptions, passes for completing promos, passes for getting good horses, passes for BMIs, and passes for fun spending. And the game is nowhere near "free"! Free is having to pay nothing and getting good deals in the game like how it was at the beginning. It's not a "free" game, it's an expensive one.
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We have to buy passes for our VIP subscriptions


You don't have to buy passes for that. I'm a vip and I haven't spent a penny on this game(mainly because my parents won't let me.lol)
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By Retired breeder, 13th December 2016 16:50:44
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As I see it, it is not as much whether this game is 'free' or not as much as it is the continuous and practically complete indifference and disrespect regarding people that invested so much in this game - be it time or money. I don't think anyone would disagree that Ubisoft needs to make money. As Asfridur put it,

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it is indeed a capital error to constantly disregard the opinion of the players who actually keep this game alive and fun! These people know the game, and have invested money or hours and hours a day making game money. They WILL stop playing if you're completely oblivious or indifferent to what they have to say. And there goes the income for the game developer and after that, there goes the game.

If you listen to the people that pay your salary and enjoy and think and develop this game (the, in this matter, real player base) and take their suggestions into account - respect them, the game can stay alive. That's not what's happening now.

As pointed out earlier, this points in one direction; Howrse taking a trip to the Safe Haven without a Pandora's Box when people have spent their money and refuse to spend more.

Just as meglons mentioned, that causes me to be very, very careful with the money I spend here. If I chose to start spending again, that is.
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