Important: Springtime Rules Recap



Spring Cleaning time!





Hello Everyone,

We noticed that on several versions, some forms of cheating have been tolerated. Though sometimes historically, other times due to information errors, or simply because it’s easier to let things pass than to tackle a difficult situation.

However, in the long run, everyone is penalized by this situation. It's unfair, unpractical and no one really knows where the boundaries are.

So, we have decided to do a global recap for all the versions to set things straight and make sure that the rules are consistent across all the versions of Howrse.

We are also planning to do a general cleanup on all the versions, thus it's an occasion to give everyone fair warning about what isn’t allowed before we start that as shown via the list below.


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Selling passes to another player

Buying passes from another player

Farming passes via numerous accounts (A.k.a. multiple-accounting). Using the free pass features to collect passes on through extra accounts to transfer them to your main later. (I.E. the passes from sending dead horses to Heaven)

Paying another player with passes or game items to play/do chores in your stead

Bulk sales of old horses against passes (For example: Selling 10 horses for a single pass or any other similar aspect). The allowances planned in the game are calculated to preserve game balance, they are not transferable to another player.

Having more than one account on the same version


Having a common pivot account for teams, its multiple-accounting.

A fake account is used to store and transfer good, currencies and horses among members within a team bypassing game re-sale rules.

Connecting to another player's account outside of the co-management feature

Using a script on your account, regardless of who activated said script.

Yes, you are responsible for choosing co-managers you can trust and who share your ethics

Selling an account to another player either for game currency or actual currency

Selling Black market items

There’s a limit as the number of exchanges and gifts you can do, and it’s for a very excellent reason. This includes selling them for passes or real currencies, both transactions are forbidden.


As for tabbing, add-ons and gaming mouses (link clump, etc...), they are not forbidden per se, but should you ever decide to use these methods, do be careful and stay within reason. If your account seems to be overdoing it and we consider that you are taking an unfair advantage over your peers, due to an automation, it will be equal to scripting.

Therefore, starting the 10th of April, 2018, we will proceed with a spring cleaning on all the versions.

Best Regards,

The Howrse Team
 
cailow
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insatiable wrote:

I went back to silence for a while. but i never got responded to my post link.
After reading Horsebabe91s message. Can admin please say if we are allowed to post our opinions or not. I have seen many admin post in here saying we can share our feedback and ask questions but it seems like if players disagree too much they get sanctioned for it even if they are worded nicely. I don't want to stir up stuff. I just feel like there is a LOT of misinforming going on. so much contradicting things. I was on the admins side. I respected everything. until people started getting messages censored. am I going to get censored for asking for clarifications. I want to be informed on what will and wont get censored. And if we can or can not leave our opinions. My view of howrse staff has really changed after leafing through this topic... default smiley :s


Yes of course you are allowed to express your opinion. That is the express purpose of this topic. All that we ask is that you follow the forum and the karma rules. They specify that you must remain polite to all players, all moderators and all Admin staff at all times.
deimos
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Cailow wrote:

So, we have decided to do a global recap for all the versions to set things straight and make sure that the rules are consistent across all the versions of Howrse.

I have asked this question six times now, so posting again on the new page.

How are you going to maintain consistency across ALL versions of howrse when there is an issue regarding the forums. The rules regarding the forum are written verbatim are the same for every single server. Even the thread topics are the same for all servers.

Yet there is a discrepancy regarding this consistency because on a couple of the servers in under this topic several mods have stated,

"This is our server and that is their server."

"Rules and regulations are the exact same on all servers. Moderators have the exact same guideline to follow regardless of the server and the same admins on our server admin other servers and follow their same guidelines there."

Now I normally wouldn't have a problem here, but the only thing consistent here is the rules and topic rules are the same and that is about it. Depending on the server and depending on the topic players get unjustly banned from the forum, while another server allows players to openly discuss things on the topic. *coughs*spoiler zone topic*coughs*

Players that play here, do play on other servers and this is where the rules or conduct really do get muddled.

So why isn't the rules of conduct the same. I do have a copy and paste quote saying the rules and regulations are the same for all servers and mods and admins have the same rules and stuff to follow, but why do some servers hand out very severe punishments and others do not?

2.) There have been issues past and present that telling another to please shut it is rude. I know its not okay, but here is the problem. A warning is quickly given in the forum, but yet no one bats an eye when players proceed to tell other players in the forum especially under a SURVEY topic to:

"Be grateful and quit your bellyaching."

"Stop being spoiled and whining and be grateful."


Now I did ask in the forum about those comments and the warning that was given and a moderator did respond to me in the forum, but completely ignored my question and only REITERATED about telling others to shut up is rude.

What about these comments as well?

"Grow up"
"Just complaining, attacking and frankly acting entitled."

Aren't these comments I provided as example clear examples of provocation, aggressive behavior, bullying and taking the place of the team?

Apparently not, these comments are allowed to get away in the forum, but if someone says please shut they get warned even though they get tired of other players calling them spoiled and greedy and for simply not default smiley default smiley (k) in the survey topics and saying that a promotion may be pass heavy, these comments are allowed. I'm sorry if anyone is offended for me saying that in my honest opinion is allowed because I did report those comments years ago and did anything get done about them? No because if something did get about it, players wouldn't continue to make those same comments again and again even today.

A moderator did say on another forum regarding reporting:

" "One small note to make. . . I hear as a mod a whole lot of complaints of harassment and then complaining that those same people harassing continue harassing others. I get people pming me upset over other people's behavior. Even when I ask them to report it about 75% of the time we never handle a report about an incident, because for some reason people just decide not to report those who are rude, harassing them, or just generally breaking rules that everybody knows. When players choose not to report harassment it cripples our ability to do anything. You want to say there are players with histories of rude commentary and harassing pms? We can't prove that to do anything about it if you don't report it.""


But here is the thing, I did make reports about them years ago and just eventually got tired of reporting the comments and coming back to find they were not censored and there was no warning. Again not trying to be rude, but it does feel like these comments are allowed because they come across as defending the game when a survey topic should be open to people to post their honest opinion for a survey topic.


Sorry if my question is long, I'm just wondering how this be consist across all servers as stated in the master post on this topic going forward?default smiley default smiley (8)
celtic_princess
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Horsebabe91 wrote:

I'll be honest, a lot of my messages weren't super respectful. But the ones that got warnings on were just opinion and defending my opinion while being attacked by another player. Found that interesting. The other player was pro howrse changes


Please remember that, as has been mentioned many times in this thread, it is not appropriate to discuss yours, or anyone else's, sanctions in a public forum. If you are not happy with what has been said to you, you must take it up privately with Contact Us.
deimos
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celtic_princess wrote:

I have asked this question six times now, so posting again on the new page.

How are you going to maintain consistency across ALL versions of howrse when there is an issue regarding the forums. The rules regarding the forum are written verbatim are the same for every single server. Even the thread topics are the same for all servers.


I understand your frustration and it is difficult however I will try to answer as many points as I can. I can only answer from a moderator point of view as I am sure you appreciate.

Each server is subject to the same rules as all the others. However it would not be practical for them all to be run by the same team of Admin and of course, each has its own team of mods. This means that there will always be differences in the way that rules and forums are managed, due to language and, particularly, cultural differences and the fact that all of us are fallible human beings. The spring clean is at least in part an attempt to bring every server into closer observance of the rules.

On the issue of forum comments and the way they are dealt with, again it may partly be down to cultural views on things. I am in the UK and don’t always know or agree with the way other cultures on here, including our large contingent from the US, view words and the use of them. This is one reason we ask you to report. You can tell us your views on other player’s behaviours. We may not always agree with you and we have strict guidelines to follow when considering reports but it does help us to understand which issues are important to you.

As the other moderator told you we do take harassment very seriously but it often happens via pm and if it is not reported we cannot see it.

I will also take this opportunity to note that, as mods we are not expected to police the site although we do jump in when rules are obviously broken, cursing, shaming other players etc. Again we rely on players to tell us when they feel something crosses the boundaries so that we may make our own, informed, decisions. In turn Admin are always happy to step in if you explain to them in Contact Us when you feel things are not happening as they should.

If I have missed anything I apologize. Please feel free to ask again here or you are very welcome to pm me if you prefer.
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“Gaming mouse binds” - the only reason i’m in esports and as high as I am is BECAUSE i can click fast. What do you mean a human hand can’t do things? I became #1 world *league champion* because I was able to kite at 4.6 attack speed. What is that?
Let me explain. You are in combat. Click to hit enemy - click to move away, this, 4.6 times per SECOND. EVERY SECOND UNTIL THE FIGHT WAS OVER. There were moments in which you had to do this from 5 to 60 seconds or more, and honestly I was training on turrets as well. So please, Ubisoft, I know you’re crying about EA’s new released game and that you guys hate life in general, but c’mon. What, if it’s a “kid’s game” with repetitive and decently boring gameplay, it means you only have average people? Pretty sure that 90% of the people who own a PC have a gaming mouse as well.
Come back with better events, better formats, better ideas in general, and only then push in some exaggerated rules, not the other way around. Came back after 5 years to see that from 25 million players (or whatever) there are 100k left. I wonder why. Browser games are dying already, don’t kill them more.
(Also add a “my posts” button somewhere in this game so I don’t have to scroll 100 pages of comments to see what people reply - if there is one, well, I can’t find it - speaking about bad formats)
Have a good day.
kansei
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howrse can tell the difference between what people can do, and what computers can do.... its pretty simple
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celtic_princess wrote:

have asked this question six times now, so posting again on the new page.

How are you going to maintain consistency across ALL versions of howrse when there is an issue regarding the forums. The rules regarding the forum are written verbatim are the same for every single server. Even the thread topics are the same for all servers.

Yet there is a discrepancy regarding this consistency because on a couple of the servers in under this topic several mods have stated,

"This is our server and that is their server."

"Rules and regulations are the exact same on all servers. Moderators have the exact same guideline to follow regardless of the server and the same admins on our server admin other servers and follow their same guidelines there."

Now I normally wouldn't have a problem here, but the only thing consistent here is the rules and topic rules are the same and that is about it. Depending on the server and depending on the topic players get unjustly banned from the forum, while another server allows players to openly discuss things on the topic. *coughs*spoiler zone topic*coughs*

Players that play here, do play on other servers and this is where the rules or conduct really do get muddled.

So why isn't the rules of conduct the same. I do have a copy and paste quote saying the rules and regulations are the same for all servers and mods and admins have the same rules and stuff to follow, but why do some servers hand out very severe punishments and others do not?

2.) There have been issues past and present that telling another to please shut it is rude. I know its not okay, but here is the problem. A warning is quickly given in the forum, but yet no one bats an eye when players proceed to tell other players in the forum especially under a SURVEY topic to:

"Be grateful and quit your bellyaching."

"Stop being spoiled and whining and be grateful."


Now I did ask in the forum about those comments and the warning that was given and a moderator did respond to me in the forum, but completely ignored my question and only REITERATED about telling others to shut up is rude.

What about these comments as well?

"Grow up"
"Just complaining, attacking and frankly acting entitled."

Aren't these comments I provided as example clear examples of provocation, aggressive behavior, bullying and taking the place of the team?

Apparently not, these comments are allowed to get away in the forum, but if someone says please shut they get warned even though they get tired of other players calling them spoiled and greedy and for simply not default smiley default smiley (k) in the survey topics and saying that a promotion may be pass heavy, these comments are allowed. I'm sorry if anyone is offended for me saying that in my honest opinion is allowed because I did report those comments years ago and did anything get done about them? No because if something did get about it, players wouldn't continue to make those same comments again and again even today.

A moderator did say on another forum regarding reporting:

" "One small note to make. . . I hear as a mod a whole lot of complaints of harassment and then complaining that those same people harassing continue harassing others. I get people pming me upset over other people's behavior. Even when I ask them to report it about 75% of the time we never handle a report about an incident, because for some reason people just decide not to report those who are rude, harassing them, or just generally breaking rules that everybody knows. When players choose not to report harassment it cripples our ability to do anything. You want to say there are players with histories of rude commentary and harassing pms? We can't prove that to do anything about it if you don't report it.""


But here is the thing, I did make reports about them years ago and just eventually got tired of reporting the comments and coming back to find they were not censored and there was no warning. Again not trying to be rude, but it does feel like these comments are allowed because they come across as defending the game when a survey topic should be open to people to post their honest opinion for a survey topic.


Sorry if my question is long, I'm just wondering how this be consist across all servers as stated in the master post on this topic going forward?default smiley default smiley (8)


Hello,

Some of the sanctions that we issue are not visible to anyone but the player who is sanctioned. It's possible that those players got official warnings. You would never be able to tell.

Not everyone stops behavior just because someone on the staff speaks to them about it.

The bottom line is that we can never discuss another player's punishment with you and you can't see all of the actions that we can take. So, it may not be obvious that we did anything.

As far as consistency between the servers, that's a trickier question. They are not only different languages, they're different cultures. We're working to bring them inline with each other but it's going to take a lot of work.

This is part of the process.

-ZOwey
zowey
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Kansei wrote:

“Gaming mouse binds” - the only reason i’m in esports and as high as I am is BECAUSE i can click fast. What do you mean a human hand can’t do things? I became #1 world *league champion* because I was able to kite at 4.6 attack speed. What is that?
Let me explain. You are in combat. Click to hit enemy - click to move away, this, 4.6 times per SECOND. EVERY SECOND UNTIL THE FIGHT WAS OVER. There were moments in which you had to do this from 5 to 60 seconds or more, and honestly I was training on turrets as well. So please, Ubisoft, I know you’re crying about EA’s new released game and that you guys hate life in general, but c’mon. What, if it’s a “kid’s game” with repetitive and decently boring gameplay, it means you only have average people? Pretty sure that 90% of the people who own a PC have a gaming mouse as well.
Come back with better events, better formats, better ideas in general, and only then push in some exaggerated rules, not the other way around. Came back after 5 years to see that from 25 million players (or whatever) there are 100k left. I wonder why. Browser games are dying already, don’t kill them more.
(Also add a “my posts” button somewhere in this game so I don’t have to scroll 100 pages of comments to see what people reply - if there is one, well, I can’t find it - speaking about bad formats)
Have a good day.


You can use gaming mice with quick response times. You just can't use the macro function to record key presses.

I'm well aware that players can press mouse buttons very quickly, I'm also a gamer. But the type of 'quick' we are looking for is nothing that any human being could ever do, so don't worry.

-ZOwey
zowey
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Alright well I leafed through about the first 25 pages of this topic and things began to get repetitive. I've decided I wanna share my opinion. I took a few notes as I was reading. No quotes or anything, this isn't meant to be some crazy-long masterpost.

I wanna start with the gaming mouse part. Seems like a lot of people are confused/upset about this. I use a high quality Razer brand mouse, as well as a Razer brand keyboard. I can change their profiles and map their keys, as well as set a key to a macro. They were expensive, and I definitely like to use the macro function, as that was a high selling point for me. However, if a game I play says I can't macro, then so be it. I can't macro in League of Legends, so I don't. I can't macro, in Overwatch, so I don't. See the trend here? Just because I have a smart phone, and paid a lot for said smart phone, that doesn't mean I should watch YouTube videos in a movie theater. Just cause you have it doesn't mean you can always use it.

On the topic of mice and pc peripherals, the middle mouse function when pressed down on, usually opens the link pressed upon in a new tab (on some mice and pc's this varies, however). Using the middle mouse button, I can open several tabs in a very short amount of time. Does this put me at risk for 'overdoing it'? The action is still manual, and everyone can set the middle mouse button to perform this function, but it is much faster than right-clicking to open a tab. Is the middle mouse button off-limits?

Getting into LinkClump now, apparently there is a secret limit for what is considered okay, but we aren't allowed to know because then people will go right up to that limit. But if it's okay, then why can't we go up to it? If the speed limit on a highway is 65 MPH, I'm gonna go 65 MPH. If the sign just said "don't go too fast," then how would I know if I was going to be pulled over or be in danger? What would constitute 'too fast' in that situation? Not having a set 'speed limit' for LinkClump just makes it confusing. What can I and can't I use? I actually don't even use LinkClump, as stated above, I use my middle mouse button. So that still worries me. Can we have a set "tabs per minute" rule? And if it's just so that your servers don't give you 'suspicious' read-outs, then is LinkClump even allowed? Just say it is or it isn't. And give us parameters for how many tabs per minute it's safe to open.

Okay so completely new issue now. Multi-accounting. I've known a few people banned for this, who don't even have accounts on the same IP, or other accounts. Then again, that's only as far as I would know I guess. On the contrary, I've had SEVERAL friends sanctioned, and their siblings accounts banned, even though they'd never even trade items or horses legally. So that gets me worried. My mother has an account on this game, and when her account was new I sent her some items to get her started, and I'd send her little gifts quite often because you know, she's my mom. I don't even know if she plays anymore, it's been about a year since we've talked about the game together. But should I warn her to not log in if she doesn't play anymore? Should I be concerned that if she does log in, I'll be sanctioned and she will be banned? Or the other way around? I've already taken her off co-management when all this started, just to be safe. Furthermore, should I be worried that some time ago a friend of mine whom I met on Howrse came and stayed with me, and during the time she was visiting, we were both playing Howrse at my house on our separate accounts? Seeing as players have been sanctioned due to being on the same IP address, it just causes some alarm, you know?

Moving on (I'm almost done, I promise), some players in this forum have said that an economy can't get inflated on a game. That's absolutely not true. I'm sure some of you remember HorseIsle, as do I. I played that game on and off for like 12 years. When I started, a horse for a new player went for around $2,500-$3,000 of in-game money. If you log in nowadays, they go for hundreds of thousands to millions, depending on which server you join. Regardless, the price has skyrocketed, because the makers of the game didn't implement a money-sink. There was nowhere for all that extra cash to go. Paying players had way too much on their hands, and menial tasks were too cheap to perform, and didn't scale with the growth of the economy. So yes, inflation is an issue. However, while Howrse has a great money-sink in the form of promos it's just *too much too fast.* Even paying players can't keep up. I spend money monthly to keep my membership on this game, and I refuse to buy passes for promotions. Of course as the mods have said, "rules aren't written in stone," and I've splurged on an occasion for a divine in golden fleece's or TC's, but after all this... I don't think there's any way I'm spending so much on this game again. Definitely gonna stick to pass horses for VIP, and I'm not really gonna chase divines anymore. It seems being rich isn't the point, even though every single function in the game requires money. So why shell-out my spare cash at the end of the month for something that ultimately won't benefit me in the GP race? Either way, I'm getting off topic. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you want people to actually spend money on the game, slow your roll with all the promotions and new divines. Make a divine back into something truly *special* where it actually feels worth it to spend some cash on getting it.

And now onto my last point, vezenka quickly mentioned this in her big post, I think. Exchange rates. We are limited in the exchanges to a price of 300,000 equus. Players generally value passes at ~100,000e per pass. The most expensive BM item is 6 passes, being the Nyx pack. So why can't we trade at least up to 600,000e? I know worth of items isn't something discussed in the forums, but as far as a scaling economy goes, that would at least help players get items for what they are more or less worth, as well as receive what they believe that item to be worth. That may also help items worth less, like a Golden Apple not be so expensive in exchanges. Orrr maybe you could let us trade passes legally.... Just a thought. default smiley 8-)

Lots of games offer a way to get their paid items for free, to promote player growth and ultimately more profit. You really don't want to turn into the Battlefront II of simulation games default smiley ;)

And as for scripting, yeah that's always been against the rules, so RIP I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Alchemist wrote:


Players generally value passes at ~100,000e per pass.


Your post was really good - this was the only point I'd disagree with though. Many players I know value passes around 200k, or whatever the going rate for a pass horse is. Moreover - a golden apple can go for 300k on the item exchange, and a lyre can sell for 10k. 1 pass items have massively different selling values. So while I agree that the exchange limit should be increased to help the economy, I'm not sure it can be based off the equus/pass values because these are highly subjective to individual players and the market.
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blu wrote:

Your post was really good - this was the only point I'd disagree with though. Many players I know value passes around 200k, or whatever the going rate for a pass horse is. Moreover - a golden apple can go for 300k on the item exchange, and a lyre can sell for 10k. 1 pass items have massively different selling values. So while I agree that the exchange limit should be increased to help the economy, I'm not sure it can be based off the equus/pass values because these are highly subjective to individual players and the market.


I appreciate that you read and mostly agree! Sorry about my sad knowledge of pass-worth. I really don't use the exchanges often, nor do I collect fancy horses, so I appreciate you informing me. Based on your outlook of the average 'worth of a pass' I feel like that's all the more reason to overhaul the exchange system! default smiley :)
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Hi guys can someone please clarify this for me. My son and I use the same IP address this I think is okay.sometimes when my son is in school and I'm out and waiting for people I use his tablet, only my account and not very often either, is this allowed?
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Saracen 101 wrote:

Hi guys can someone please clarify this for me. My son and I use the same IP address this I think is okay.sometimes when my son is in school and I'm out and waiting for people I use his tablet, only my account and not very often either, is this allowed?

From what I've seen it's allowed but players have still gotten bans just for sharing IP addresses and devices. If your two accounts interact very little or not at all you should be okay though.
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Just the normal rules, nothing special.
It was about time that you guys would do something about the rule-breakers. Even the mods on the Dutch servers paid their co-management. default smiley (lol)
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Dolohov wrote:

Even the mods on the Dutch servers paid their co-management.


I don't know if I'm not just thinking through properly but I don't really see why Howrse has an issue with players getting paid to do 'chores'?
Typically players get paid with equus so its not like its illegally trading passes, which is what most of the rules being reinforced seem to stepping down on. It's also being done on a feature that Howrse itself has provided - co-management.

The fact that even moderators were doing it on the Dutch server kind of makes me think there isn't a real reason behind it. I don't know but I would like to know Howrse's reasoning behind it or if someone else has a theory/knows the answer.
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queeny wrote:

I don't know if I'm not just thinking through properly but I don't really see why Howrse has an issue with players getting paid to do 'chores'?
Typically players get paid with equus so its not like its illegally trading passes, which is what most of the rules being reinforced seem to stepping down on. It's also being done on a feature that Howrse itself has provided - co-management.

The fact that even moderators were doing it on the Dutch server kind of makes me think there isn't a real reason behind it. I don't know but I would like to know Howrse's reasoning behind it or if someone else has a theory/knows the answer.


co-management was never meant as a means to get others to play your game for you, it's a way for a trusted friend to help you if you can't log on for a few days. There is no way within the game set up to pay someone equus - the only way is for them to sell you something, which isn't payment at all - so any form of payment for services comes under the trafficking rules. An explanation of trafficking is here:

Trafficking
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Fair enough. I didn't think about the fact it comes under trafficking.

Thank you for answering my question, I appreciate it.
queeny
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I had been wondering about offering drawings in exchange for items/passes. I assume that this is actually not allowed at all?
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Wotcha wrote:

I had been wondering about offering drawings in exchange for items/passes. I assume that this is actually not allowed at all?


No, that has never been allowed as it is trafficking.
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By Retired breeder, 23rd March 2018 12:24:02
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Re. people who are concerned that giving away their horses would warrant trafficking. I am in the process of giving away all my horses and have been some while. You can do it legitimately, I checked with a mod before I decided to do so. There is no ability to give a horse away for free, so all have been sold at 500e. But that includes what most of us would percieve to be highly valuable horses with over 14,000+ skills and numerous bonuses etc. My only concern now is the trafficking element. I've given multiple horses to players, as much as 22 horses to one player to help her complete one of her coat trophies default smiley (lol) however, if admin were really concerned they could look into it and see we live in completely different countries, and this is the only time we have communicated.

The world is sometimes a not nice place - and I think we should encourage others to be kind and generous to each other. I'm trying to do a nice thing by other players, as very often a lot of players are when they give items and horses to each other. But it's a shame that a minority of players have used and abused systems and 'cheated' the rules for their own benefit, which has led to this. And I think the problem is that that mass punishment isn't correct or fair. The saying "you've nothing to be worried about if you haven't done anything wrong" hasn't always worked out on this game for players in the past who were genuinely just members of the same family each sharing a computer / IP address. The issue I think is that the line for determining that someone has done wrong is a bit blurry.... I stand by my comment I made several pages ago that judgements should be made fairly and objectively.

Make no mistake though, I think that absolutely cheating, wrongdoing players should be punished - as long as that's genuinely the case. And that doesn't matter if you're a pass-buying elite player or not. Think about it in the real world - if you buy something and then do something illegal with it, you aren't exempt from being processed through the justice something just because you may have paid a lot of money for it. You can't buy yourself immunity, you play by the same rules as everyone else.

Clearly this has ruffled a lot of feathers and stirred up a fair bit of debate. I don't think I've seen a Howrse forum this lively in a long time default smiley (lol) players aren't as upset about rules being enforced as they are about the way in which Howrse has consistently over the years began to reward players less for working hard on the game, made it harder to succeed without purchasing passes, and just generally been a well-oiled capitalist machine which demands a lot of money from players and gives very little in return. To top it off, player's don't feel appreciated or considered well enough. In this day and age, most businesses are in the business of making money, not caring about or considering people. And it feels pretty rubbish for most of us. I wholeheartedly understand why people are upset, especially when some of them have spent very substantial amounts of real life time and money on this game. But like anything with life - it hurts you so much, why do you hang on to it? Let it go and do something that makes you happy. There's no use investing your time, resources and spirit into something that upsets you default smiley (l)
Ty Rafs mum. I do something similar on other games online, but I hadn't started it up on Howrse as I wasn't sure on the rules. I shall stay away from it!
wotcha
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Wotcha wrote:

Ty Rafs mum. I do something similar on other games online, but I hadn't started it up on Howrse as I wasn't sure on the rules. I shall stay away from it!


if you aren't particularly wanting to be paid for your work and would just like to see it being used, you can offer it for free (but you might not want to do that default smiley :) )
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I want to ask an important question about teams and co management.
Is it still allowed to connect to a friend or teammate's account with gc to put horses to help close your races when you are training? I haven't seen this mentioned on here but it has been a huge issue/debate on the spanish version
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gc = joint management, sorry that is the spanish translation
gillianespie
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gillianespie wrote:

I want to ask an important question about teams and co management.
Is it still allowed to connect to a friend or teammate's account with gc to put horses to help close your races when you are training? I haven't seen this mentioned on here but it has been a huge issue/debate on the spanish version


Yes, using co-management is fine default smiley (y)
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